Has anyone noticed stewards becoming weak all of a sudden? - Page 2 - Brown Cafe

Big Babooba · 07-25-2009, 05:15 PM

Take a peek in your CM's desk drawers and file cabinets. If you find a pair of these, chances are that your steward has lost his "Boys".

dilligaf · 07-25-2009, 05:18 PM

You made me sit up in my chair and pay attention and I don't even have 'boys'. LOL

Hoaxster · 07-25-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike23

I think it's called poor management? Our president I believe makes 4.5 mil a year or something like that. You're telling me he can't take a 1 million dollar pay cut and hire 10 drivers back? What's the vice president make? 3.5 million? Same deal!

I really think the union should step up and tell them to cut head hanchos salaries before cutting drivers. It's common sense, but then again, the world's greedy.

Obama makes - $400,000 per year
Biden makes - $208,100 per year

over9five · 07-25-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Babooba

Take a peek in your CM's desk drawers and file cabinets. If you find a pair of these, chances are that your steward has lost his "Boys".

BigBrownLongHorns CM:

Big Babooba · 07-25-2009, 05:40 PM

[QUOTE=over9five;569764]BigBrownLongHorns CM:

[/QUOTE]Those "Boys" are big. I wonder if somebody from Texas will claim them.

tieguy · 07-25-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 705red

If more drivers would file 9.5s we would have more drivers working.

Look I'm sorry that you sups did not get your raises. I'm sorry that the company you bleed for lied to you and said that they might have to close the doors because of low volume. And I'm sorry that you have to jump in every thread just to slay the union.

And I'm sorry that you're sorry.

tieguy · 07-25-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by brownhorn

You call it "attacking the company," I call it "enforcing the contract." You know, steward stuff...

Like I said I think its great you still have a few thriving companies out there to practice your "steward stuff" on.

I wonder if the guys in the bread lines worry about manipulating contract language.

upsgrunt · 07-25-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Babooba

Take a peek in your CM's desk drawers and file cabinets. If you find a pair of these, chances are that your steward has lost his "Boys".

Hey Big-
Here's what I remember an emasculator looking like from the farm.

bubsdad · 07-25-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

Like I said I think its great you still have a few thriving companies out there to practice your "steward stuff" on.

I wonder if the guys in the bread lines worry about manipulating contract language.

I wonder if the guys in the bread lines are working for a company that posted a $895 million profit last quarter while telling everyone how tough things are.

Just Numbers · 07-26-2009, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bubsdad

I wonder if the guys in the bread lines are working for a company that posted a $895 million profit last quarter while telling everyone how tough things are.

Maybe you missed the part that earnings fell 49%

NHDRVR · 07-26-2009, 05:24 AM

In our center the stewards try to file as many grievnaces that are necessary. I am very good friends with both the stewards and the alternates, and business agent for that matter and although I don't always agree with them they do what they feel is best for the driver. Or they appear to anyways.
This sounds like a particular center issue you are having...

Hoaxster · 07-26-2009, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bubsdad

I wonder if the guys in the bread lines are working for a company that posted a $895 million profit last quarter while telling everyone how tough things are.

Unfortunately (I guess ), the company does not exist for the benefit of it's employees (hourly or salaried). The company exists for the benefit of UPS shareowners.
If the management of the company does not respond to the needs of the shareowners via the Board of Directors, they should and will be replaced.
When UPS was private and employees owned the company, the shareowners were understanding.
That is no longer the case.
Welcome to working for a publicly owned company.

Jones · 07-26-2009, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Unfortunately (I guess ), the company does not exist for the benefit of it's employees (hourly or salaried). The company exists for the benefit of UPS shareowners.
If the management of the company does not respond to the needs of the shareowners via the Board of Directors, they should and will be replaced.
When UPS was private and employees owned the company, the shareowners were understanding.
That is no longer the case.
Welcome to working for a publicly owned company.

My understanding is that the shares available to the public are nonvoting shares, and that in any case UPS retains a majority holding. So at least in this case the shareholders don't really have a say in who runs the company. Decisions at the executive level are still made pretty much the same way as when we were private, albeit now they do have to deal with analyst expectations and market fluctuations. But it's not like there is going to be a shareholder meeting where the company president is voted out.

Hoaxster · 07-26-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jones

My understanding is that the shares available to the public are nonvoting shares, and that in any case UPS retains a majority holding. So at least in this case the shareholders don't really have a say in who runs the company. Decisions at the executive level are still made pretty much the same way as when we were private, albeit now they do have to deal with analyst expectations and market fluctuations. But it's not like there is going to be a shareholder meeting where the company president is voted out.

The BOD has a fiduciary responsibility to ensure the company is managed to provide "greatest" return on investment to shareholders (regardless of voting rights).
Check Google for various civil lawsuits along this line.

Jones · 07-26-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoaxster

The BOD has a fiduciary responsibility to ensure the company is managed to provide "greatest" return on investment to shareholders (regardless of voting rights).
Check Google for various civil lawsuits along this line.

No doubt about that, but realistically the board would have to be engaged in borderline or outright criminal behavior to create the type of impetus needed for a shareholder lawsuit, ie, lining their own pockets while the company goes broke or something along those lines.

705red · 07-26-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Numbers

Maybe you missed the part that earnings fell 49%

Maybe you missed the part were small package volume is only down 4% from last year. UPS is losing money in their cartage area, meaning all the newer freight companies that were purchased are dragging down our profits.

Sleeve_meet_Heart · 07-26-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NHDRVR

In our center the stewards try to file as many grievnaces that are necessary. I am very good friends with both the stewards and the alternates, and business agent for that matter and although I don't always agree with them they do what they feel is best for the driver. Or they appear to anyways.
This sounds like a particular center issue you are having...

You are lucky to be represented well. Here in Local 25 it is the opposite. It has only gotten worse since Ritchie Reardon moved out and I think that speaks for itself.

dannyboy · 07-26-2009, 10:38 AM

IF the 9.5 language is not something that the company intended to honor, then why did they include it in the contract?

I totally understand why drivers wanted it. At least sups have one or two days a week they get to go to the house early. And give me a break on the "well I start my day at 6AM" stuff. I would bet that most drivers here would gladly work a 10 hour day if you started us at 6AM instead of 9. I know I would have.

As for stewards losing their stones, it would appear that there are many more drivers that have lost theirs by many of the threads and from personal experience. That is until they get into deep water, at which time they do come running.

Just my personal observations.

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thelus · 07-26-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

what a glorious thing to be able to work for a thriving company and discuss ways to have your union reps more aggressively attack your company while so many others are out of work.

i know poor UPS and its 800 million dollar profit. think of the starving share holders!<---- sarcasm laid pretty hard

MC4YOU2 · 07-26-2009, 11:39 AM

Amen to that!

brownhorn · 07-26-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

Like I said I think its great you still have a few thriving companies out there to practice your "steward stuff" on.

I wonder if the guys in the bread lines worry about manipulating contract language.

Nothing to manipulate really...the language in Article 37 is pretty clear. I don't even have to dip into my stewards' bag of tricks on that one! I'm not just some guy in a soup line that UPS so magnificently saved from my misery. I love the job, I just don't feel like doing it 11 hours a night if I don't have to. And guess what? I don't!

bubsdad · 07-26-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Numbers

Maybe you missed the part that earnings fell 49%

And maybe you missed the part that they over projected their earnings. Therefore claiming a profit to be a loss.

tieguy · 07-26-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jones

No doubt about that, but realistically the board would have to be engaged in borderline or outright criminal behavior to create the type of impetus needed for a shareholder lawsuit, ie, lining their own pockets while the company goes broke or something along those lines.

ups has had their share of shareholder lawsuits over the years. Far as I know the BOD has not been convicted of any criminal behavior.

tieguy · 07-26-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bubsdad

And maybe you missed the part that they over projected their earnings. Therefore claiming a profit to be a loss.

you need to learn how to read an earnings report if you're going to quote earnings to us. the 49 percent loss is quarter to quarter compared to last year.
Net income was 449 million not 800 million. When you look at the size of this company that profit equates to pennies on the dollar. Not a very good return.

Keep in mind the market was tanking in the same quarter last year so a 49 percent loss is pretty significant.

Maybe you guys should think about how fortunate you are to have a job and stop worrying about how you can squeeze more gold from the goose.

dannyboy · 07-26-2009, 05:54 PM

Tie

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Net income was 449 million not 800 million. When you look at the size of this company that profit equates to pennies on the dollar. Not a very good return.

Very true, not great returns. But it was on the positive side of the returns listed. And for our business sector, that was a really good accomplishment.

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Maybe you guys should think about how fortunate you are to have a job and stop worrying about how you can squeeze more gold from the goose

Maybe the keepers of the golden goose should quit making bargains when they dont intend to keep them. Or said another way, since you agreed to cut the paid day, come on, do the right thing and cut the paid day. We are not asking for more money, just asking for you to keep your promises.

Since I happen to live in one of the worst states when it comes to unemployment, yes, drivers here are fortunate. And very fortunate to have a great paying one at that. But please dont give us that as an excuse to not honor your contract with us.

Best

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