Local 2727 UPDATE - Page 3 - Brown Cafe

ups767mech · 08-06-2009, 05:02 PM

The last thing we want to do is strike ...... noone will win in the long run.

upssalesguy · 08-06-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by unionman

I would gladly give up any raise and even take a pay cut if I could get the defined pension that every other Upser has. Our contract needs many improvements that the top dollar doesnt address.

how about you just ask for a nice 401k match?

mrv · 08-06-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JETDOC

UPS has 438 people that are managers or supervisors on the a/c mx side. 2727 currently has a little over 900 mechanics. They have been pushing all of them through as much a/c mx training as possible. After getting some inside info. It seems they are preparing to do our job when the time comes. I wonder how they all will feel when the company gets rid of 30% of them after this thing gets settled.

That would be fun to see. Most those guys could not move an Aircraft if their lives depended on it. I.E should do a time study on management working...then UPS would know who really keeps their planes moving.

mrv · 08-06-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by upssalesguy

how about you just ask for a nice 401k match?

He would give that up to!

upssalesguy · 08-06-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mrv

He would give that up to!

no, instead of a pension (which no one should count on these days anyway) ask for a higher 401k match in UPS stock....

that way you can take your tax deferred money and put in a 401k and get the company to kick in a high(er) match?

just my opinion...and you know what they say about opinions

unionman · 08-07-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mrv

Just the kind of Unionman the company is looking for!

If you had a defined pension that payed you $3000 dollars a month for the rest of your life, how much money would it take to do that in your 401k? Do the math.
Its what everybody at UPS works for except us. 20 and out.

747jetmech · 08-07-2009, 11:38 AM

Jet Doc are you kidding me, sups and mgrs could never fix an a/c like us. we are the GODS of aviation. <<<< LOL...Where do you get your info? sounds like more rumors. hang tight and if your leaving anyway what do you care? step aside and let a layed off worker come back to work. I'm just guessing your on the chopping block anyways.
WE DO NOT WANT TO STRIKE OR WALK THE LINE!!!!!! so don't talk for all of us in the 2727 system.

ups767mech · 08-07-2009, 12:16 PM

We dont want to strike but we will if provoked.

Dustyroads · 08-07-2009, 12:19 PM

Salesguy, tell all of those millions of people who lost billions of dollars on their 401Ks in the last year that it's a much sounder option than a defined benefit plan.

It must by your youth talking.

unionman · 08-07-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by upssalesguy

no, instead of a pension (which no one should count on these days anyway) ask for a higher 401k match in UPS stock....

that way you can take your tax deferred money and put in a 401k and get the company to kick in a high(er) match?

just my opinion...and you know what they say about opinions

How about you give us a defined pension plan, like you have, and more than half the mechanics would retire guaranteed

upssalesguy · 08-07-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dustyroads

Salesguy, tell all of those millions of people who lost billions of dollars on their 401Ks in the last year that it's a much sounder option than a defined benefit plan.

It must by your youth talking.

i'm not trying to slam, but why should this one segment of workers get a pension when the rest of the world has to save for their own retirement?

i have not grown up in an era of pensions, so I am probably off base.

I say do what you have to do...I'm just anti strike and pro "middle ground"

Dustyroads · 08-07-2009, 02:40 PM

Maybe it's because we negotiated it 30 years ago and I've worked for 30 years for the contributions that were made in my name. Do I need a better reason salesguy?

Salesguy, do you have any idea why drivers don't give you sales leads?

Just wondering.

upssalesguy · 08-07-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dustyroads

Maybe it's because we negotiated it 30 years ago and I've worked for 30 years for the contributions that were made in my name. Do I need a better reason salesguy?

Salesguy, do you have any idea why drivers don't give you sales leads?

Just wondering.

They do.

and these mechanics have not negotiated it...it is a new day and age and the world is changing.

unionman · 08-07-2009, 03:22 PM

Your right, you need to give up yours. Its a different world now.

mrv · 08-07-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ups767mech

We dont want to strike but we will if provoked.

The thing to do is sit tight and wait. Our E-Board is taking us down the path of no return with all their chest pounding. Sit tight and vote them out!! Keep the current contract until the economy recovers and we have a E-board in place that has a clue. They already underestimated the Companys resolve with the OT ban and Bill boards which contributed to all these layoffs. Now they want us to walk so the company can replace us with scabs.

airbusfxr · 08-07-2009, 06:28 PM

The RLA of 1929 protects our jobs. If all IBT people walk off the job, the company cannot replace everyone. Remember the '97 strike, it was like the 3 stooges running the routes.

mrv · 08-07-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by airbusfxr

The RLA of 1929 protects our jobs. If all IBT people walk off the job, the company cannot replace everyone. Remember the '97 strike, it was like the 3 stooges running the routes.

Asking 300k Teamsters to hit the street in this economy is a hard sell. We should wait and negotiate from strength. Threating a strike will burn the whole house down. We need a professional E-boad that can think outside the box. These idiotic tactics don't work! Just ask Eastern, Continental, Northwest, Pan Am, TWA, etc.............BTW no one will starve on what we make now. We have been waiting 4 yrs, at least wait until the economy allows us to bargin form a better position.

SuperSup · 08-07-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mrv

Ups AMT's Start at 21$ an hour, year five we are at 27.50 and yr six 43$ an hr. Fdx AMT's start at 33 and top out at 41.50 in yr 3. So even though we top out higher than FDX we will never get close to there wages due to the progrssion. This isn't about the pay. Its about UPS tring to gut our contract. Ups is taking advantage of the economy to scare the membership. They are laying off AMT's in an attempt intiminate our union into accepting a bad contract.

unionman · 08-07-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mrv

The thing to do is sit tight and wait. Our E-Board is taking us down the path of no return with all their chest pounding. Sit tight and vote them out!! Keep the current contract until the economy recovers and we have a E-board in place that has a clue. They already underestimated the Companys resolve with the OT ban and Bill boards which contributed to all these layoffs. Now they want us to walk so the company can replace us with scabs.

No way in hell are we getting those guys back in there so they can steal more money... When the national decides to get involved, which will be very soon, it will be a different story.

Mr. Overspeed · 08-08-2009, 12:31 AM

Spot-on Mr UPSalesguy...I haven’t grown up with a retirement spoon in my mouth either.
With that said, should I rollover and let UPS stick it to me when they feel like it, or should I give up a bit of a fight?
Did you give up your retirement yet?

Mr. Overspeed · 08-08-2009, 12:33 AM

Somehow I don’t see an “act” protecting my job. How About being a Professional?

Just Numbers · 08-08-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by unionman

If you had a defined pension that payed you $3000 dollars a month for the rest of your life, how much money would it take to do that in your 401k? Do the math.
Its what everybody at UPS works for except us. 20 and out.

What is this twenty and out? Oh, I get it...nope, I don't!

airbusfxr · 08-08-2009, 02:21 PM

If we dont strike before peak and end up paying for health care we will only be on strike during the drivers contract. The drivers will be told the pilots make 300k and pay 300 a month for health care, the mechanics make 80k a year and pay 400 a month for health care, you can make 75k and pay 400 also. Do you think the IBT would let UPS make all the drivers pay, NO, the IBT will strike UPS and then the pilots and mechanics will be paying forever. We are headed for strikes over health care, whether the drivers or us and at this time the drivers have a contract, we DO NOT. The latest hotline states that we won several subcontrating cases, but UPS is still doing it. The mediator's decision was for the union and UPS is still sending work overseas. They are not abiding by arbitration cases, do you think they will ever follow a contract, no matter how "iron clad" the wording. Sad.

clocksucker · 08-09-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JETDOC

UPS has 438 people that are managers or supervisors on the a/c mx side. 2727 currently has a little over 900 mechanics. They have been pushing all of them through as much a/c mx training as possible. After getting some inside info. It seems they are preparing to do our job when the time comes. I wonder how they all will feel when the company gets rid of 30% of them after this thing gets settled.

We are seeing the same thing on the east coast. I think UPS is preparing for the strike to come.

Mr. Overspeed · 08-09-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by clocksucker

We are seeing the same thing on the east coast. I think UPS is preparing for the strike to come.

I agree with you and Jetdoc. I just have to get some of my PVG buddies on line and its on...