Local 2727 UPDATE

[poiuy]

Originally Posted by unionman

3 years = 10 billion for UPS and the street for 15% of the mechanics. Oh yeah, we have it so good. Its on!

The best way to prevent tantrums is to know what triggers them. Lots of kids get irritable when they're hungry or tired, but those aren't the only situations that will spark meltdowns. Psychologist Jed Baker, the author of No More Meltdowns, offers a guided tour of the six most-common triggers, with tips on avoiding each tearjerker:

1. Biological issues
Some kids become especially irritable when they're hungry or tired. That's why it’s always a good idea to take favorite snacks along on outings; you can even pull them out when waiting for meals at restaurants. To keep children from becoming too tired, build some rest time into your plans and don’t overschedule their days. Last, consider what kind of stimulation your kids can tolerate — some like loud amusement parks, while others need quieter activities to keep them happy.
2. Lack of structure
Having nothing to do for too long a period of time is a recipe for trouble. Kids will create their own structure if you don’t, and this sometimes means arguing with each other or otherwise acting out. Create a "Things To Do" box with puzzles, games, art projects, books, videos and other calming activities for the downtime between scheduled activities. Take smaller versions along on long car rides or for destinations with long waiting lines.
3. Demands
Many kids find it stressful to be told to do homework or chores, or to try a new activity. So when it's time for them to do their chores or homework, make a game of it, with rewards for completing each part of the task. If kids are afraid to try something new, don’t force them — instead help them gradually overcome reluctance by letting them watch the activity first, then asking them to participate for a very short period of time.
4. Waiting
Some kids melt down when they don't get what they want, or have to stop doing something fun. It is easier for kids to wait for what they want if they know exactly when they'll get it, so keep a timer or clock on hand. If you know you are going someplace where they will want something they cannot have, tell them ahead of time; suggest that if they get through the outing without complaint, they can get something else. When kids resist stopping a fun activity, try to make the transition easier. For example, as a reward for leaving the playground and going home without incident, stop for a small ice-cream treat.
5. Threats to self-esteem
Some kids are perfectionists and cannot stand making a mistake on their homework or losing a board game. Remind such kids before an activity that you are more interested in their efforts or their sportsmanship than whether they do things perfectly. Promise rewards if they don't get upset when they lose a game.
6. Unmet wishes for attention
Some children fall apart when adults ignore them to attend to siblings or other adults. Children can wait for your attention more successfully when they know exactly when they will get it — again, a timer or clock can be helpful. If you are occupied with something important, ask them to stay near you while they wait; often, that closeness is enough to satisfy them for a while. Also, teach kids the correct ways to ask for attention, and to sit patiently rather than getting mad or acting out. If the kids ask nicely to play, then give them the attention they crave. After all, this is the most valuable gift you can offer them.

[Cookdaddy]

Originally Posted by poiuy

The best way to prevent tantrums is to know what triggers them. Lots of kids get irritable when they're hungry or tired, but those aren't the only situations that will spark meltdowns. Psychologist Jed Baker, the author of No More Meltdowns, offers a guided tour of the six most-common triggers, with tips on avoiding each tearjerker:

1. Biological issues
Some kids become especially irritable when they're hungry or tired. That's why it’s always a good idea to take favorite snacks along on outings; you can even pull them out when waiting for meals at restaurants. To keep children from becoming too tired, build some rest time into your plans and don’t overschedule their days. Last, consider what kind of stimulation your kids can tolerate — some like loud amusement parks, while others need quieter activities to keep them happy.
2. Lack of structure
Having nothing to do for too long a period of time is a recipe for trouble. Kids will create their own structure if you don’t, and this sometimes means arguing with each other or otherwise acting out. Create a "Things To Do" box with puzzles, games, art projects, books, videos and other calming activities for the downtime between scheduled activities. Take smaller versions along on long car rides or for destinations with long waiting lines.
3. Demands
Many kids find it stressful to be told to do homework or chores, or to try a new activity. So when it's time for them to do their chores or homework, make a game of it, with rewards for completing each part of the task. If kids are afraid to try something new, don’t force them — instead help them gradually overcome reluctance by letting them watch the activity first, then asking them to participate for a very short period of time.
4. Waiting
Some kids melt down when they don't get what they want, or have to stop doing something fun. It is easier for kids to wait for what they want if they know exactly when they'll get it, so keep a timer or clock on hand. If you know you are going someplace where they will want something they cannot have, tell them ahead of time; suggest that if they get through the outing without complaint, they can get something else. When kids resist stopping a fun activity, try to make the transition easier. For example, as a reward for leaving the playground and going home without incident, stop for a small ice-cream treat.
5. Threats to self-esteem
Some kids are perfectionists and cannot stand making a mistake on their homework or losing a board game. Remind such kids before an activity that you are more interested in their efforts or their sportsmanship than whether they do things perfectly. Promise rewards if they don't get upset when they lose a game.
6. Unmet wishes for attention
Some children fall apart when adults ignore them to attend to siblings or other adults. Children can wait for your attention more successfully when they know exactly when they will get it — again, a timer or clock can be helpful. If you are occupied with something important, ask them to stay near you while they wait; often, that closeness is enough to satisfy them for a while. Also, teach kids the correct ways to ask for attention, and to sit patiently rather than getting mad or acting out. If the kids ask nicely to play, then give them the attention they crave. After all, this is the most valuable gift you can offer them.

YouTube- Captain Picard throws a temper tantrum.

YouTube- Captain Picard throws a temper tantrum.

[ACE]

Originally Posted by mrv

Combine is a failure. His amature tactics have accomplished nothing but empty out pockets and put us all on the brink of disaster. Time for a change, time for a new E-board. Take the training wheels off before its to late.

Lets look at everything our President has asked us to do! We have had 2 overtime bans, voted to strike and now are asked to call and harass customers with scare tactics for a strike, that if it happens the earliest would be February? How many mechanics are currently out of work because of his overtime bans that taught the company to manage its workload? How many customers have all of the pickets and billboards really affected? If any of these had any impact, there would be winds of change in negotiations.

This is the November To Remember To Go Rogue! Petitions are going around for Combine to step down. A grassroots movement is underway to cease any further contract talks until we vote in a new E-board. If the company wants to continue to drag this out we will oblige. It is merely in the company's interest to settle this and move on to cutting the real waste within the AGB and all the unnecessary sups that don't contribute but merely provide baby sitting service. The twenty dollar an hour mechanics that have been laid off are of no fiscal cost savings. Everyone knows that this company eats its own and when the overtime and double time is analyzed the blame will fall on labor and IE.

There are several Rogue stewards and more are joining. It's time to begin anew. It's time to Go Rogue!

The German Revolution is a revolution, and therefore successful high treason; it is well known that such treason is never punished....
-Adolf Hitler

[poiuy]

Originally Posted by mrv

I hear they are empting the AGB and putting them on the line in SDF to watch over the operation. Hows that going? A supervisor for every mechanic must be nice. Lets hope UPS does not dig their heal in and call Combines bluff! Destroying lives and UPS in the process dos'nt make any sence. When negotiations become personal battles between fools nobody wins.

The bluff has been called, and the heels are dug in. Remember the overtime ban? They'll figure out how to get it done with a few Sup's and a few temps and you can keep the "struggle" going for as long as you want. As for picketing customers...do you think that's going to bring the "brothers and sisters" back sooner? Or will it result in more people hitting the street? PATHETIC

[luvubas]

The holdup for this contract is INSURANCE,the outsourceing of work issue will be setteled with the answer to the abritration that is pending.UPS is dead set on making us pay for a portion of our health care. This is the single most important issue ,not only for UPS but on a national level. The pilots and management all pay for a portion of there healthcare. I would rather pay for a portion of my healthcare with a 2% of 3% raise than to not have a job and have to pay for 100% of COBRA.The argument that members of local 2727 are making in this current economic environment is not very smart.At the pace that these negeations are going we will be negeoationing another contract befofe the ink dries on this one.Lets face it boys we will have to pay for a portion of our healthcare.Be Smart,not impulsive and think of your families. I know many 43$ an hour mechanics that are broke, we could 143$ an hour and they would still be broke,I say that to say this the hourly wage should not be an issue, if it is then shame on you!Combine has done the best that he could. Anyone other than Jesus would not have done any better! UPS is deadset on up paying Insurance.

[Dis-organized Labor]

Originally Posted by ACE

Lets look at everything our President has asked us to do! We have had 2 overtime bans, voted to strike and now are asked to call and harass customers with scare tactics for a strike, that if it happens the earliest would be February? How many mechanics are currently out of work because of his overtime bans that taught the company to manage its workload? How many customers have all of the pickets and billboards really affected? If any of these had any impact, there would be winds of change in negotiations.

This is the November To Remember To Go Rogue! Petitions are going around for Combine to step down. A grassroots movement is underway to cease any further contract talks until we vote in a new E-board. If the company wants to continue to drag this out we will oblige. It is merely in the company's interest to settle this and move on to cutting the real waste within the AGB and all the unnecessary sups that don't contribute but merely provide baby sitting service. The twenty dollar an hour mechanics that have been laid off are of no fiscal cost savings. Everyone knows that this company eats its own and when the overtime and double time is analyzed the blame will fall on labor and IE.

There are several Rogue stewards and more are joining. It's time to begin anew. It's time to Go Rogue!

The German Revolution is a revolution, and therefore successful high treason; it is well known that such treason is never punished....
-Adolf Hitler

Who would take over? Rob Haysley?
What can a steward do that would be effective???

[Dis-organized Labor]

Originally Posted by no_peak_09

In a hurry to get a contract????? We've been without one for three years!!!!!! Looking forward to a Christmas with my family instead of a broke d!ck airbus! I guess some suit can fix it (I hope the skydrol doesn't hurt his sensative office fingers). Hope he's familiar with the GMM, AMM, blah, blah, blah, blah. And up to date CAT, ETOPS, ERT, AMB's, etc. Well they will figure it all out. The Feds probably will work with them (they will understand that UPS is trying to save a buck). Oh yeah and maybe they could file flight plans over non-populated areas just in case. Yep, I think this will work.

Do you recall Nortwest's "strike" a few years ago???
Hmmmmm. That was an interesting surprise.........

[Jetfixr]

Originally Posted by jetmech09

sell your UPS stock boys. its going to plumit November to remember!

HAHAHAHAHAHA i am just laughing every time i run into one if my friends that i worked with at United Parcel Slavery, we high five and i am just smiling now to be rid of the snake bite. I wish you all luck and now the company got what they want you all cannot turn it off. You must hold strong.
Jet

[Dis-organized Labor]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

A 5yr old boy named Noah Biorkman is in the last stages of a 2 1/2yr battle with Neuroblastoma Cancer. The family is celebrating Christmas next week and Noahs request is to get lots of Christmas cards. Simple right? So lets get him some!!!! Please send cards to: Noah Biorkman , 1141 Fountian View Circle, South Lyon, MI 48178. Lets see How many cards we can get to this little guy! Thank You! PLEASE REPOST!!-.


Come on BC, lets see what we can do for Noah!

Any of you 2727 guys want to send a card?

[ACE]

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

Who would take over? Rob Haysley?
What can a steward do that would be effective???

We will have a new E-board. The majority of our membership has no faith in our current E-board. We don't pay for health benefits and we make top pay in class. We are getting butt loads of double time with the extra segments and all the broke planes. The company wants to drag this out, lets do it!

The company can't lock us out at the same time giving millions to congress pushing for more unionization for Fed Ex. In the end we will all shake hands and move on. Not until we have a new E-board that knows how to get it done.

There is no telling what changes have been made to the current contract excluding pay and benefits. I'd bet there would be a "No" vote on all the current articles that have been closed thus far!

NUREMBERG, LABOR-FRONT
SPEECH OF SEPTEMBER 12, 1936
We wanted additional work for our unemployed and the use of the volume of their increased production to increase every man's share in consumption. Wages are not based on production; production itself is the wage.
-Adolf Hitler

[SKYKING BIRDMAN]

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

Any of you 2727 guys want to send a card?

I will send a card! I will also send a card to Unionboy, does anyone know what institution he is staying at?

[mrv]

Originally Posted by poiuy

The bluff has been called, and the heels are dug in. Remember the overtime ban? They'll figure out how to get it done with a few Sup's and a few temps and you can keep the "struggle" going for as long as you want. As for picketing customers...do you think that's going to bring the "brothers and sisters" back sooner? Or will it result in more people hitting the street? PATHETIC

Combine has negotiated himself into a corner with no way out. UPS is his great white whale, and he must destroy it.....even if he dies trying. His tactics has left him with no wiggle room to negotiate. Sabatoge of the Airline and its customers will only harden UPS's stance. At this point UPS may bite the bullet and bust this Union, if we cannot provide a reliable service then it will be easier for UPS to lock us out.

Combine's tactics will only bring on more scrutiny from the FAA and Management. Look for UPS to take legal action against the E-board and any individules who disrupt the operation. Look for UPS to terminate trouble makers on trumped up charges. Look for the E-board to disappear as mechanics are walked out the door. Look for an additional 100 lay offs before the next round of negotiations.

Combines inept attempts to negotiate a contract before the next Union elections has failed. He is not capable of coming to an agreement with UPS before his time is up. Be patient and wait UPS and the E-board out. Then vote them out. Regain control of your Union!

Competent Union representation now! Take the training wheels off!

p.s- Does anyone beleive this E-board will do anything to protect you or your job at this point? If you get in trouble, does this E-board have anything left to protect you?

[Cookdaddy]

Originally Posted by SKYKING BIRDMAN

I will send a card! I will also send a card to Unionboy, does anyone know what institution he is staying at?

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[old carrier mechanic]

This is may first post. I normally just read and laugh. I have been with the airline as a AMT from day 1, and this is the worst morale we have ever had! This is a airline management issue.
Most of the aircraft mechanics (AMT's) work hard everyday, have a tremendous amount of pressure to move the aircraft in a safe manner by inspections which must be done as quick as possible. If we screw up we can be fined or have our A&P license revoked or pulled by the FAA. This does happen, somethings by self reporting by UPS.
We deal with crew write-ups, fueling, moving of aircraft, year round weather, and the hazards of the job. I would say 80% of the AMT's have had stitches from cuts and 100% shed blood many times. The job is rated as one of the most hazardous by most insurance companies (airport ramp employees).
I would have to say, I would put UPS aircraft mechanics as the best in the field. The reasons are: 1. Most airlines specialize, have mechanics who do just one segment of the aircraft, engines, airframe, electrical etc. etc. on one type aircraft. 2. No one operates as many different types of aircraft as UPS. 3. No other airline fly at 98% on time departures with a safety record which is unmatched in the field.
The above reasons are why we are the highest paid in the industry, or we use to be Northwest AMT's are at $44.00 per hour with one fleet type!
At UPS every aircraft mechanic works all fleet types nose to tail including sheet metal
work. UPS doesn't ask their pilots to one day fly a 757 and the next a MD11, they fly one aircraft type. Some pilots don't even know our AMT's handle all the different fleet types. Then add 757's, MD11's have different engine types. Until you work all the different aircraft types with their different systems your have no idea how hard it is.
Now that non-aircraft people know what we deal with, I'll tell you how little we want out of the contract. If UPS would match the cost of living raise for 2006, 2007, 2008 given by the consumer price index which was around 3% a year, pay full back pay leave our medical the same and get off our backs we would have a contract. So really
we are not looking for a pay raise just keep*us where we were in 2005.
I for one will not vote for anything less. With my 36 years of AMT training I will
inspect each aircraft with out allowing for safety of flight as a determining factor in my write-ups. In other words no leeway.
As far as all the 2727 board bashers, don't air our differences, we stand together with the board or we fail! UPS loves to pit us against each other.
Thanks for reading hope some of the non-airline people got a understanding of what we deal with and how little we want.

[Lue C Fur]

Originally Posted by old carrier mechanic

This is may first post. I normally just read and laugh. I have been with the airline as a AMT from day 1, and this is the worst morale we have ever had! This is a airline management issue.
Most of the aircraft mechanics (AMT's) work hard everyday, have a tremendous amount of pressure to move the aircraft in a safe manner by inspections which must be done as quick as possible. If we screw up we can be fined or have our A&P license revoked or pulled by the FAA. This does happen, somethings by self reporting by UPS.
We deal with crew write-ups, fueling, moving of aircraft, year round weather, and the hazards of the job. I would say 80% of the AMT's have had stitches from cuts and 100% shed blood many times. The job is rated as one of the most hazardous by most insurance companies (airport ramp employees).
I would have to say, I would put UPS aircraft mechanics as the best in the field. The reasons are: 1. Most airlines specialize, have mechanics who do just one segment of the aircraft, engines, airframe, electrical etc. etc. on one type aircraft. 2. No one operates as many different types of aircraft as UPS. 3. No other airline fly at 98% on time departures with a safety record which is unmatched in the field.
The above reasons are why we are the highest paid in the industry, or we use to be Northwest AMT's are at $44.00 per hour with one fleet type!
At UPS every aircraft mechanic works all fleet types nose to tail including sheet metal
work. UPS doesn't ask their pilots to one day fly a 757 and the next a MD11, they fly one aircraft type. Some pilots don't even know our AMT's handle all the different fleet types. Then add 757's, MD11's have different engine types. Until you work all the different aircraft types with their different systems your have no idea how hard it is.
Now that non-aircraft people know what we deal with, I'll tell you how little we want out of the contract. If UPS would match the cost of living raise for 2006, 2007, 2008 given by the consumer price index which was around 3% a year, pay full back pay leave our medical the same and get off our backs we would have a contract. So really
we are not looking for a pay raise just keep*us where we were in 2005.
I for one will not vote for anything less. With my 36 years of AMT training I will
inspect each aircraft with out allowing for safety of flight as a determining factor in my write-ups. In other words no leeway.
As far as all the 2727 board bashers, don't air our differences, we stand together with the board or we fail! UPS loves to pit us against each other.
Thanks for reading hope some of the non-airline people got a understanding of what we deal with and how little we want.

Amen brother!!!

[Dis-organized Labor]

Originally Posted by mrv

Sabatoge of the Airline and its customers will only harden UPS's stance. At this point UPS may bite the bullet and bust this Union, if we cannot provide a reliable service then it will be easier for UPS to lock us out.

Truer word were never spoken.
The stupid picketing of our Customers "airs our dirty laundry" and that is one of the worst "strategies" that can ever be undertaken.
If that was Bob C's, idea then he's gotta' go!
These are my opinions and I have expressed several strategies on this thread already.
I have more to add on my next reply.

[Dis-organized Labor]

Originally Posted by old carrier mechanic

This is may first post. I normally just read and laugh. I have been with the airline as a AMT from day 1, and this is the worst morale we have ever had! This is a airline management issue.
Most of the aircraft mechanics (AMT's) work hard everyday, have a tremendous amount of pressure to move the aircraft in a safe manner by inspections which must be done as quick as possible. If we screw up we can be fined or have our A&P license revoked or pulled by the FAA. This does happen, somethings by self reporting by UPS.
We deal with crew write-ups, fueling, moving of aircraft, year round weather, and the hazards of the job. I would say 80% of the AMT's have had stitches from cuts and 100% shed blood many times. The job is rated as one of the most hazardous by most insurance companies (airport ramp employees).
I would have to say, I would put UPS aircraft mechanics as the best in the field. The reasons are: 1. Most airlines specialize, have mechanics who do just one segment of the aircraft, engines, airframe, electrical etc. etc. on one type aircraft. 2. No one operates as many different types of aircraft as UPS. 3. No other airline fly at 98% on time departures with a safety record which is unmatched in the field.
The above reasons are why we are the highest paid in the industry, or we use to be Northwest AMT's are at $44.00 per hour with one fleet type!
At UPS every aircraft mechanic works all fleet types nose to tail including sheet metal
work. UPS doesn't ask their pilots to one day fly a 757 and the next a MD11, they fly one aircraft type. Some pilots don't even know our AMT's handle all the different fleet types. Then add 757's, MD11's have different engine types. Until you work all the different aircraft types with their different systems your have no idea how hard it is.
Now that non-aircraft people know what we deal with, I'll tell you how little we want out of the contract. If UPS would match the cost of living raise for 2006, 2007, 2008 given by the consumer price index which was around 3% a year, pay full back pay leave our medical the same and get off our backs we would have a contract. So really
we are not looking for a pay raise just keep*us where we were in 2005.
I for one will not vote for anything less. With my 36 years of AMT training I will
inspect each aircraft with out allowing for safety of flight as a determining factor in my write-ups. In other words no leeway.
As far as all the 2727 board bashers, don't air our differences, we stand together with the board or we fail! UPS loves to pit us against each other.
Thanks for reading hope some of the non-airline people got a understanding of what we deal with and how little we want.

Not possible. The participation in your medical is a "must have" for the Corporation.
Be smart and let this one go and work on getting something to mitigate your costs.
I'm a Manager and I'm getting hammered as well (I guess) more than 50% of all working Americans

[ACE]

Originally Posted by old carrier mechanic

As far as all the 2727 board bashers, don't air our differences, we stand together with the board or we fail!

Standing together works both ways! There have been too many instances that our E-board has not policed the layoff procedures and have allowed the company to bully members into short-cutting the process. They would not stand up to labor! I believe it is because they welcome the layoffs, allowing them to use it as their tool to put fear into the membership to rally support. Thus the thin support that they have garnered is merely fear driven with no substance, which is why it is deteriorating rapidly. Rallying the troops to be stupid, is merely a ploy to risk your job in the support of poor negotiating tactics that have not worked. For instance the mechanic that was walked out in SDF for driving against the flow of traffic.

The company announced that our union signed a letter of agreement? In the last negotiations. If anyone knows what this is about please reply. Our President mentioned nothing about this. May be nothing.

HOW Germany has to work to wrest a few square kilometers from the ocean and from the swamps while others are swimming in a superfluity of land!
-Adolf Hitler

[Dis-organized Labor]

Originally Posted by ACE

Standing together works both ways! There have been too many instances that our E-board has not policed the layoff procedures and have allowed the company to bully members into short-cutting the process. They would not stand up to labor! I believe it is because they welcome the layoffs, allowing them to use it as their tool to put fear into the membership to rally support. Thus the thin support that they have garnered is merely fear driven with no substance, which is why it is deteriorating rapidly. Rallying the troops to be stupid, is merely a ploy to risk your job in the support of poor negotiating tactics that have not worked. For instance the mechanic that was walked out in SDF for driving against the flow of traffic.

The company announced that our union signed a letter of agreement? In the last negotiations. If anyone knows what this is about please reply. Our President mentioned nothing about this. May be nothing.

HOW Germany has to work to wrest a few square kilometers from the ocean and from the swamps while others are swimming in a superfluity of land!
-Adolf Hitler

Driving against the flow of traffic is really no big deal.
Kinda' like going South in the North-bound lane on I-64, except much slower and there are people walking around looking in one direction for oncoming traffic and multi-million dollar acft, fuel trucks, etc.

If some dumb-ass decides to drive the wrong way in this current atmosphere at SDF, he/she gets what they deserve. I believe a young lady was killed a couple of years ago when she stepped into traffic between two dollies. The vehicles were all going the right direction.
ACE....c'mon; that's just stupid.

and yes, the company and the union have reached an agreement.

You have to pay management's medical co-pays in exchange for no medical bennies contributions.

I'll probably get a colonoscopy every 3 months!!!

[mrv]

Originally Posted by ACE

Standing together works both ways! There have been too many instances that our E-board has not policed the layoff procedures and have allowed the company to bully members into short-cutting the process. They would not stand up to labor! I believe it is because they welcome the layoffs, allowing them to use it as their tool to put fear into the membership to rally support. Thus the thin support that they have garnered is merely fear driven with no substance, which is why it is deteriorating rapidly. Rallying the troops to be stupid, is merely a ploy to risk your job in the support of poor negotiating tactics that have not worked. For instance the mechanic that was walked out in SDF for driving against the flow of traffic.

The company announced that our union signed a letter of agreement? In the last negotiations. If anyone knows what this is about please reply. Our President mentioned nothing about this. May be nothing.

HOW Germany has to work to wrest a few square kilometers from the ocean and from the swamps while others are swimming in a superfluity of land!
-Adolf Hitler

Nobody knows whats going on! Its to Combines advantage to keep the membership in the dark. Its time Combine comes clean and let the membership decide. Year after year of promises and lies dos'nt cut it anymore. Time to let the membership know whats on the table. Combines incompetance has put us all at risk. Before we hit the street we need to know exactly what we are fighting for. Blind faith in an E-board that has not delivered on anything is foolish and ignorent!

UPS will continue to walk people off property for minor violations and continue to lay off people in response to Combines juvenile tactics. UPS will step up their terror campain against our membership and continue to violate our rights and contract, because Combine has no will or ability to protect this membership.

[Dis-organized Labor]

Originally Posted by mrv

Nobody knows whats going on! Its to Combines advantage to keep the membership in the dark. Its time Combine comes clean and let the membership decide. Year after year of promises and lies dos'nt cut it anymore. Time to let the membership know whats on the table. Combines incompetance has put us all at risk. Before we hit the street we need to know exactly what we are fighting for. Blind faith in an E-board that has not delivered on anything is foolish and ignorent!

UPS will continue to walk people off property for minor violations and continue to lay off people in response to Combines juvenile tactics. UPS will step up their terror campain against our membership and continue to violate our rights and contract, because Combine has no will or ability to protect this membership.

Not "Minor Violations", but for "Just Cause"
Not "Terror Campaign", but just "Control of an apparently rogue workforce determined to damage our service commitments"
Not "Violation of Right and Contract" but "STRICT adherence to the Contract and Interpretation"
Not "No Will or Ability", but "a guy doing the best he can-he's not a Lawyer, Politician, Manager at UPS, Brain Surgeon....He's a Sheet Metal mechanic that Y'all voted in...give him a break!!!

[SKYKING BIRDMAN]

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

Not "Minor Violations", but for "Just Cause"
Not "Terror Campaign", but just "Control of an apparently rogue workforce determined to damage our service commitments"
Not "Violation of Right and Contract" but "STRICT adherence to the Contract and Interpretation"
Not "No Will or Ability", but "a guy doing the best he can-he's not a Lawyer, Politician, Manager at UPS, Brain Surgeon....He's a Sheet Metal mechanic that Y'all voted in...give him a break!!!

Nice to see the old Dis-organized labor back!! I knew you could'nt keep it up! You are what you are, Don't try to be something your not.

[ACE]

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

Driving against the flow of traffic is really no big deal. ACE....c'mon; that's just stupid.

I didnt' say it was no big deal. My point was that people will make mistakes and will be held to a higher standard because of Combine's tactics.

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

and yes, the company and the union have reached an agreement.

Well what is it?

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

I'll probably get a colonoscopy every 3 months!!!

Not getting lucky at Stooges with the free beer offers huh?

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

determined to damage our service commitments"

IE and Labor didn't seem too concerned with laying off over 150 mechanics prior to peak. Don't really know why we should be concerned with cutting corners and risking our certificates for the company to self disclose. Like the guy on the engine change in ATL.

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

Y'all voted in...give him a break!!!

Y'all? You got a pet gerbil in your pocket? I didn't vote for him!

Daffy is right, You're back to your old self again. You must be off your meds.

Nothing can make me change my own belief. I am convinced that the unworthiest among us is he who cannot master his ill fortune.
-Adolf Hitler

[poiuy]

Originally Posted by old carrier mechanic

This is may first post. I normally just read and laugh. I have been with the airline as a AMT from day 1, and this is the worst morale we have ever had! This is a airline management issue.
Most of the aircraft mechanics (AMT's) work hard everyday, have a tremendous amount of pressure to move the aircraft in a safe manner by inspections which must be done as quick as possible. If we screw up we can be fined or have our A&P license revoked or pulled by the FAA. This does happen, somethings by self reporting by UPS.
We deal with crew write-ups, fueling, moving of aircraft, year round weather, and the hazards of the job. I would say 80% of the AMT's have had stitches from cuts and 100% shed blood many times. The job is rated as one of the most hazardous by most insurance companies (airport ramp employees).
I would have to say, I would put UPS aircraft mechanics as the best in the field. The reasons are: 1. Most airlines specialize, have mechanics who do just one segment of the aircraft, engines, airframe, electrical etc. etc. on one type aircraft. 2. No one operates as many different types of aircraft as UPS. 3. No other airline fly at 98% on time departures with a safety record which is unmatched in the field.
The above reasons are why we are the highest paid in the industry, or we use to be Northwest AMT's are at $44.00 per hour with one fleet type!
At UPS every aircraft mechanic works all fleet types nose to tail including sheet metal
work. UPS doesn't ask their pilots to one day fly a 757 and the next a MD11, they fly one aircraft type. Some pilots don't even know our AMT's handle all the different fleet types. Then add 757's, MD11's have different engine types. Until you work all the different aircraft types with their different systems your have no idea how hard it is.
Now that non-aircraft people know what we deal with, I'll tell you how little we want out of the contract. If UPS would match the cost of living raise for 2006, 2007, 2008 given by the consumer price index which was around 3% a year, pay full back pay leave our medical the same and get off our backs we would have a contract. So really
we are not looking for a pay raise just keep*us where we were in 2005.
I for one will not vote for anything less. With my 36 years of AMT training I will
inspect each aircraft with out allowing for safety of flight as a determining factor in my write-ups. In other words no leeway.
As far as all the 2727 board bashers, don't air our differences, we stand together with the board or we fail! UPS loves to pit us against each other.
Thanks for reading hope some of the non-airline people got a understanding of what we deal with and how little we want.

You obviously haven't worked at many airlines because line mechanics do not specialize. With all of your training maybe you should start your own maintenance company and then you could work on UPS aircraft after the lockout. In case you haven't figured it out by now...you are no longer worth what you are paid. Your competition is with China and Brazil and Mexico. It doesn't matter if Combine is running it or Darmento is running it, times have changed and so must we. This isn't the 1930's the union isn't fighting for human rights they are a business and are in it for the money.

[mrv]

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

Not "Minor Violations", but for "Just Cause"
Not "Terror Campaign", but just "Control of an apparently rogue workforce determined to damage our service commitments"
Not "Violation of Right and Contract" but "STRICT adherence to the Contract and Interpretation"
Not "No Will or Ability", but "a guy doing the best he can-he's not a Lawyer, Politician, Manager at UPS, Brain Surgeon....He's a Sheet Metal mechanic that Y'all voted in...give him a break!!!

UPS is not a responsible employer. The layoffs, harsh discpline and general harrasment of the members of 2727 are nothing more than negotiating tactics. UPS has shown they to do not care about their customers any more than Combine does by taken this stance.

As you know no other function in the Airline has been affected by the "slow economy" except for AMT's in 2727. Please give me an honest answer why in an economic down turn we are the only ones being affected.

Combine is not equipped to deal with such underhanded policies, and utter disregard for the lives of good hard working people.

I completely disagree with Combines childish tactics, but UPS has shown its true colors. A despicable coorperation without values or a soul. UPS's disregard for its great tradition has set it on a path of extinction. When this oversized machine finally grinds itself into the ground it will not be missed.