Working through vacations - Brown Cafe

trouble maker · 08-06-2009, 07:29 AM

Does anybody have the problem of hourly employees working through their vacations?? People just don't get it, they not only take work away from a union worker, but they also might take a specific weeks vacation away from someone that is junior to them that might have wanted it.

hurricanegunner · 08-06-2009, 07:40 AM

Why would anyone do that?? They were already paid for the vacation.

Brown_Eyed_Girl · 08-06-2009, 07:42 AM

Honestly, my mouth cannot physically pronounce the topic of your post.

Virtually impossible.

HEFFERNAN · 08-06-2009, 07:44 AM

That should be a major thorn in the side of your local.
That should not be allowed especially with the slashing of routes and jobs.

Your center team is at fault and one of the lower seniority drivers should grieve that ASAP.

tardus · 08-06-2009, 08:17 AM

You can work through your vacation if you have converted your vacation time to FMLA (family leave).

Dustyroads · 08-06-2009, 11:31 AM

Unless it's changed, in the Central States one could work through the option week, and in the new contract, those five days can be used one at a time or used a week at a time.

In our building there are a few older drivers who take some days off every week without pay so the newest drivers get to work.

Dark_Team_135 · 08-06-2009, 11:41 AM

We had the problem in our Local where some were actually working through SEVEN weeks of vacation...This year the company was told that no one was allowed to work any week of vacation except their optional week. Those that we catch are paid time and a half for all of the hours they worked during vacation and made to take another week off unpaid.

The problem is catching it. We you ask you always get "Well I changed my week." It is at least a start but more needs to be done to stop this problem. I guess a last resort is to not allow people to change vacations once they are selected, but hopefully it won't come to that.

UpstateNYUPSer · 08-06-2009, 12:40 PM

People need to learn to live within their means and to get a life outside of UPS.

feederdriver06 · 08-06-2009, 01:16 PM

I have a problem with people working thru their vacations after they pick a week that could have been taken by someone junior to them who wanted to have off for that week. In my building at feeders if someone picks a week in january when we pick our vacations and then at the time of the week they are supposed to be off they want to work, they have to go to the bottom of the cover list and get stuck with the last job that no one bid for that week. Great rule - we had aholes that would pick 6 weeks in the summer and then work thru them. Meanwhile junior guys want those weeks but they are filled when it was time for them to pick their vaca's. That rule ended that.

I dont have a problem with people outright selling their vacation weeks. Totally different beast.

Bad Gas! · 08-06-2009, 01:27 PM

We have many drivers work vacation days every week.The lower senior drivers don't mind getting days off because they are screwed 3-4 days a week by dispatch sup...I used to work some vacation days earlier in my career when we were a one income family....So I can see where the extra money could help...Thankfully, I'm blessed to be able to get by without working the vacation days..amen..

Ghost in the Darkness · 08-06-2009, 01:29 PM

Our supplemental resricts it and I think thats a good idea.

MonavieLeaker · 08-06-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by trouble maker

Does anybody have the problem of hourly employees working through their vacations?? People just don't get it, they not only take work away from a union worker, but they also might take a specific weeks vacation away from someone that is junior to them that might have wanted it.

1. They have a right to work their vacation if they choose to
2. They obviously have more seniority so theyre entitled per the NMA to take whatever week they damn well choose to

UpstateNYUPSer · 08-06-2009, 02:04 PM

1. They have a right to work their vacation if they choose to

They may indeed have the right but does that make it right?

2. They obviously have more seniority so theyre entitled per the NMA to take whatever week they damn well choose to.

Also a good point but if they bid the prime weeks knowing full well they intend to work instead isn't that depriving someone who could really use that week and would actually take a vacation?

MonavieLeaker · 08-06-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

1. They have a right to work their vacation if they choose to

They may indeed have the right but does that make it right?

2. They obviously have more seniority so theyre entitled per the NMA to take whatever week they damn well choose to.

Also a good point but if they bid the prime weeks knowing full well they intend to work instead isn't that depriving someone who could really use that week and would actually take a vacation?

I didnt say it was right but thats how it is......I usually take my weeks off but I'm willing to make deals with my sup like when he gave me a few days off in exchange for coming in on the sunday that I started my vacation....2. I do agree with that

rocket man · 08-06-2009, 02:25 PM

why did you do it leaker?

Slack Adjuster · 08-06-2009, 03:16 PM

In the Southern Conference, we have the option of selling back vacation weeks, prior to selection, which takes place in October. If you have six weeks, and sell back two weeks, you pick your four weeks for the next year, you get a check for two 45 hr. vac. weeks, and you take the weeks when they come up. Never heard of someone coming in and working on their vac. and displacing the person who signed up to cover their run, however they can be called in, in seniority order, to do extra work after all other drivers are working, to prevent sub-contracting. Are we in the minority here?

MonavieLeaker · 08-06-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket man

why did you do it leaker?

Because I like helping my sup out....Plus I owe him for not firing me when I walked out on the job a few years back

teresarice · 08-06-2009, 03:36 PM

Well last year in June I changed positions from p/t unloader air driver to f/t driver I was told I still keep half vacation days so when bidding came around in october of course I was last to bid and the weeks I could bid was Jun thru nov guess what all taken. so they said sorry about your luck. I called the union they said weeks should have been allotted for that. Talked to my sup he said nope goes by number in building of employees. So as time went on and so did bbqs they all are taking r/o s and it pisses me off because I got no vaca.
Any words of wisdom

Hoaxster · 08-06-2009, 03:47 PM

I never work through vacations.

tieguy · 08-06-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoaxster

I never work through vacations.

not even honey do's?

big_arrow_up · 08-06-2009, 05:02 PM

We haven't been aloud to work during our vacations for a while now. I'm glad. Part-timer cover drivers get more work that way and inside part-timers have more opportunities to double shift.

Hoaxster · 08-06-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

not even honey do's?

Oh yeah ... plenty of those.

fethrs · 08-06-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MonavieLeaker

1. They have a right to work their vacation if they choose to
2. They obviously have more seniority so theyre entitled per the NMA to take whatever week they damn well choose to

I'm on vaca this week, worked all of 12 hours in 2 days because I could. Did not take any work away from anyone as I did my usual job (not a driver) and we are usually short people so it wasn't a big deal. Sup was ok with it and I got a few hours in but still had time off.

Ghost in the Darkness · 08-06-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by teresarice

Well last year in June I changed positions from p/t unloader air driver to f/t driver I was told I still keep half vacation days so when bidding came around in october of course I was last to bid and the weeks I could bid was Jun thru nov guess what all taken. so they said sorry about your luck. I called the union they said weeks should have been allotted for that. Talked to my sup he said nope goes by number in building of employees. So as time went on and so did bbqs they all are taking r/o s and it pisses me off because I got no vaca.
Any words of wisdom

They do vacation bids for the following year in October where you are? How odd!
Anyway the year you become a ft driver they can stay pt hours as vacation but it all depends on if you were a driver or a pt for more of the year. As for the year after that you definitely should be getting 45hrs vacation time per week of vacation. Why are you not allowed to bid Jan-May for vacation weeks?

UPS Lifer · 08-06-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MonavieLeaker

Because I like helping my sup out....Plus I owe him for not firing me when I walked out on the job a few years back

I really admire your loyalty!

It does not matter what the circumstance is. Seniority is what it is. I have always respected the seniority issue. Nobody has to justify why they picked a week or worked. If they followed the contract and picked their time by seniority so be it. Anyone who does not like it .... Tough luck.

For those of you who can't respect the seniority issue....

Your time will come and turn about is fair play but if you follow the convictions you have now you will probably do it a little differently won't you? Only you can answer that question. For all you know the senior employee ran into tough times and realized that he/she could not afford to go anywhere and decided at the last minute to work. If it didn't violate the contract or state law... it really is none of your business, is it?