New UPS Health and Welfare Package in DISPATCH - Union

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by thelus

why do we throw the word around like socialism like its a bad thing.

Which country is going to carry the world's economy on their shoulders if the US becomes Socialist?
Sure the hell not the French ... they don't have the wealth to purchase what they produce which isn't that much.

Atlas shrugged.

[whiskey]

Originally Posted by thelus

why do we throw the word around like socialism like its a bad thing.

We might want to take a good look at the Swedish model sans socialism.

[rod]

Originally Posted by whiskey

We might want to take a good look at the Swedish model sans socialism.

well----I'm waiting to see some of those Swedish models

[Jones]

Originally Posted by thelus

why do we throw the word around like socialism like its a bad thing.

Originally Posted by TechGrrl

'Cause some people are blinded by Sarah Palin's beauty?

[JustTired]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Which country is going to carry the world's economy on their shoulders if the US becomes Socialist?
Sure the hell not the French ... they don't have the wealth to purchase what they produce which isn't that much.

Sounds like the direction we're headed.

It's the the product of global economics. And, in my opinion, that's not a good thing. Nobody wants to pay anything to produce their product....yet they expect those same employees to be able to afford them. DUH!!

[pretender]

Originally Posted by TechGrrl

'Cause some people are blinded by Sarah Palin's beauty?

That explains why she is vilified!

[TechGrrl]

Originally Posted by pretender

That explains why she is vilified!

No, that would be because she is an insult to all competent, hard-working women who don't wink their way to the top.

[pretender]

Originally Posted by TechGrrl

No, that would be because she is an insult to all competent, hard-working women who don't wink their way to the top.

You just proved my point...

[browned out]

Originally Posted by browned out

I think it is the same plan the management is in. I have heard most of them say that it is not as good as ours.

Once you enrol in the new plan you can not go back to the traditional plan. I would wait and see how others like or dislike it after a year or two go by.

UPS wil always let you change to the new plan but you will not be able to switch back. Haste makes waste. Why won't they let you switch back if you don't like the new package?

My mother works in the health care claims/billing industry. She has told me horror stories about the PCN PPN PPO plans. She said she had a claim denial for a man who cut the tip of his finger off and went to the ER for treatment. The plan said this was not an emergency and denied coverage claiming that he could have went to a network doctor. He had to pay the whole bill. What the what?

Hopefully the union will get on the ball and tell us the pros and cons or TDU or anybody with knowledge of the issues. God only knows UPS will only tell us the pros.

I'd wait

Got more info from ups on saturday. As usual the info is strewn with half truths, lies and misinterpretations.

When I received a bill from the ER for my sons care this summer; the statement showed the hospital bill to be $600 insurance would cover $218 and my portion was 0. The new info ups sent out makes it look like if i stayed with the current plan that I would have to pay the difference. This is not the case and never has been.

It also shows retiree health care lifetime limits in a deceiving manner. It shows $150,000 per calender year for the current plan and $500,000 for the new plan. That amount is the most you could get. Take the 150,000 and multipy it by 8 years(if you retire at 57 and you get the truth.

The old plan would cover retirees for up to 1,200.000.00 where the new plan only $500,000

I'm sure we all have an extra $700,000 laying around.

We need the truth.

We can handle the truth.

UPS Integrity as usual

[toonertoo]

Originally Posted by pretender

I also was surprised that with HR3200 up in the air, that UPS would be offering this to us--Although, I would take the worst UPS plan over anything that the government gets involved in.

It is possible to check the networks to see if you doctor/dentist is a member. I checked, and mine are indeed enrolled in the networks.

I still need a lot more information before I would feel comfortable switching...

I will check, I dont have a doc personally, Ive been blessed, knock on wood. I see a doc about as often as my palm reader, never. but I dont want my husband to switch, hes comfortable with them, which took some work

Originally Posted by brett636

As it stands I don't even use the insurance that I have. Guess I am the insurance company's favorite type of person to insure. I go to the doctor about once every year and a half or so, and I need medication even less frequent than that. I could probably switch and not notice a difference, but if its worked well for me so far why change?

I do know with what I had, a 80k hospital and surgery cost me much less than the 16 k I thought I would owe. So I will have to look it through. If I were in your shoes Brett, I would stay and see how it all shakes out with others you know who change, as there is no going back

Originally Posted by olupsdrv15

Point is you may not get the CHOICE!! What if ALL corporations switched to Obamacare because it was cheaper for them to do so? What kind of care would you, your wife and kids and perhaps grandparents receive per BHO? Who would be left out in the cold and WHY????

I agree with your worries, they are mine also. I am thinking UPS got a chance to save on our pkg, and the more who sign up, the better for them, and I have no problem with them saving money offering us a quality pkg, I just need to study it more.

[browned out]

We had a meeting at our union hall this last weekend. The UPS rep kept refering to our current plan as the sick plan and the new one as the wellness plan. They also were trying to scare people into it by infering that we may not be able to enrol next year.

Jokers with scare tactics and false bravado.

To their credit; ups rep did say that they would not offer this plan if it did not save the company alot of $.

They did not have the figure on how much $ this would save them per employee. I find it very interesting that there is not report on this; really??
UPS doesn't know when they know if it took me 8 seconds to move my pkg car, or my license is set to expire next week, or my dot pys is up or my pu compliance is off,

[Mapp]

Originally Posted by TechGrrl

No, that would be because she is an insult to all competent, hard-working women who don't wink their way to the top.

Last I checked she was elected, unlike Female UPS Management that I know, and she could probably do their job better than half of them.

[frmremplye]

The reason the AFL/CIO and Teamsters are such staunch supporters of universal healthcare is because it is a bargaining chip for them...they can give up H & W in exchange for job guaruntees, higher wages, etc, etc when the applicable contracts expire. After all, union members can always get healthcare through the gov't if the unions bargain it away...right??? Glad I left this company!

[pickup]

Originally Posted by toonertoo

I just glanced over it this am, it looked pretty good, BUT why would they be upgrading our plan for no reason? Definetely needs scrutiny.

Because they care for us, toonertoo. Why must you be so suspicious?