Shouldered by a supervisor

[helenofcalifornia]

I wouldn't be relaxing on this vaca if I were you. I would be lining up all my ducks in a row, making your list, checking it twice, we already know who's been naughty and who's been nice. This supe is bad news and needs to go. If he gets away with this, it will only inflate his ego to try and get away with more. Atlanta needs to know about this. And your manager needs to know that you are calling Atlanta. Good luck Red, gonna be a long vaca week for you! If the tables were turned, you would have already been in the unemployment office.

[robot]

If any of those POS supervisors ever laid a hand on me I'd do everything in my power to get them fired! That kind of behavior should not be tolerated at a workplace.

Call me sadistic, but I'd give my left nut to see the face on that supervisor when he gets canned!

[hdkappler]

Originally Posted by 705red

Yesterday morning at work the preload had a bad day and did not wrap on time. I asked for air help from my ft on car sup, he said I could deliver it no problem. I went to my manager and explained that it is 925am and I have 13 air stops and 2 ssi accounts that must be delivered by 1030 and I still have a 20 minute drive to the route.

He said that I was right and he would make sure my sup would get me help. Well guess what, it was too hard for my sup to find help, it meant that he would accutally require him working for his paycheck. I had 9 late air packages.

I had a total of 47 stops for 571 pieces, all boxex not many letters involved. I delivered airs until 11am and had to start delivering the grounds. I was way behind and could not finish my deliveries and take a lunch, so I decided I would work through alot of my lunch to make service to the customers this 1 time.

The sup shows up close to 2pm and I still have 8 stops for 30 pieces including 6 nda savers. He has a raised tone in his voice and told me I F****** him on purpose. He told me I was done at my 1st stop at 945, I tried explaining that i started scanning 87 packages which 35 of them were international express asd's and I had to enter the 6 digit shipper number for each one. He wanted nothing to do with having a discussion, it was his way and that it.

He procedded to tell me he was going to F*** me and take away my gravy work and screw me every chance he gets. I told him that after I was finished with this delivery that I was taking my full hour lunch and 10 minute break and he would have to cover my deliveries or pickups, because i start pick ups at 215ish. He walked away from me laughing.

I took my lunch and notified my manager what just happened, he pleaded with me to finish my deliveries and than take my lunch, which I did for my manager In driving with this driver the sup told him I was a J** off for taking my lunch and I would get what I had coming.

This morning the sup asked my preloader to go to the other end of the dock, and he approached me with his voice raised and called me a F****** liar and threw his shoulder into me. Others in the area heard him and had turned around just in time to see him assault me.

I repeated 3 times to get away from me and each time I raised my voice for others to hear me incase i had to defend my self. After the third request i walked away from the situtation so I would not be put in a violent position.

The sup continued to laugh at me and told me to drive the truck. I explained to my manager that i was assaulted and to stressed out to operate the truck safely. I asked for the police to be called and the dm to come to the center.

I was then taken to the clinic for a fitness for duty test. And UPS's doctor agreed that I was not safe to drive today because my pulse and blood pressure were high.

I was driven back to UPS and dropped off at my truck and told to go home and come back after my vacation which starts tomorrow.

My manager said he would address this situtation, should I take his word or should I go to the police department and file assault charges on this sup. If the shoe was on the other foot, we all know I would have been walked out in handcuffs!

Sorry its long I wanted to get all the details in the first time. This sup should be fired!

i would of filed a police report.also if you have a witness that should ok.after you file call union ba.i wouldn't talk to any mgr.about unless you have a steward only.

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

Originally Posted by hdkappler

i would of filed a police report.also if you have a witness that should ok.after you file call union ba.i wouldn't talk to any mgr.about unless you have a steward only.

He's IS a steward , and asst BA?

[trickpony1]

Originally Posted by robot

If any of those POS supervisors ever laid a hand on me I'd do everything in my power to get them fired! That kind of behavior should not be tolerated at a workplace.

Call me sadistic, but I'd give my left nut to see the face on that supervisor when he gets canned!

He probably won't get "canned". I know a feeder division manager that got caught altering the ICC hours of some drivers who had gone over 60. The part that got him fired was he lied when confronted by the auditors. This gentleman got escorted out the gate only to reappear in another hub several hours away. The ethnicity of the fired/dishonest/no integrity division manager may have played a role. Draw your own conclusion.
The public needs to know there is a distinct difference between how the hourly people and the esteemed management people are treated when it comes to integrity and dishonesty.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

I wouldn't be relaxing on this vaca if I were you. I would be lining up all my ducks in a row, making your list, checking it twice, we already know who's been naughty and who's been nice. This supe is bad news and needs to go. If he gets away with this, it will only inflate his ego to try and get away with more. Atlanta needs to know about this. And your manager needs to know that you are calling Atlanta. Good luck Red, gonna be a long vaca week for you! If the tables were turned, you would have already been in the unemployment office.

Helen makes some good points. The more I think about this, I wonder if ups was playing a chess game of sorts with one piece (the sup) being used to try to take out an opposing piece. Sup might have been encouraged to take such an action in the hopes of elicting a physical response from you. They take out a pain in the butt rook(chicagored) and lose a knight (the sup -who can easily reappear in another hub). This action puts the other rooks(stewards) in a defensive fearful position and keeps all the other pawns and pieces on the opposing team in what they feel are their rightful positionsnes of fear for their protective rook is gone. . If you don't play chess, you won't get it.

Anyway , just a thought

[over9five]

But...but...but...What about "zero tolerance"?

Are we now saying it does NOT apply to management? Any management people care to comment?

To me "zero tolerance" means TERMINATED, not transferred.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by pickup

Helen makes some good points. The more I think about this, I wonder if ups was playing a chess game of sorts with one piece (the sup) being used to try to take out an opposing piece. Sup might have been encouraged to take such an action in the hopes of elicting a physical response from you. They take out a pain in the butt rook(chicagored) and lose a knight (the sup -who can easily reappear in another hub). This action puts the other rooks(stewards) in a defensive fearful position and keeps all the other pawns and pieces on the opposing team in what they feel are their rightful positionsnes of fear for their protective rook is gone. . If you don't play chess, you won't get it.

Anyway , just a thought

oops, I see I called him chicagored when it should have been 705red

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by over9five

But...but...but...What about "zero tolerance"?

Are we now saying it does NOT apply to management? Any management people care to comment?

To me "zero tolerance" means TERMINATED, not transferred.

OK I'll bite.
For every management person that retains their job, ten bargaining unit employees keep their job. At least!
But that's ok ... we know that is the playing field.

[helenofcalifornia]

Hoax, you're not saying he made this up, are you?

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

Hoax, you're not saying he made this up, are you?

No ... in fact I never read it.
Just a generalized answer to question posed by Ovah.
I'll delete so no one will think I am specifically replying to them.
Thanks for pointing this out.

[over9five]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

OK I'll bite.
For every management person that retains their job, ten bargaining unit employees keep their job. At least!
But that's ok ... we know that is the playing field.

But I don't want ANYONE who commits workplace violence to keep their job.

I want what all those UPS posters say: ZERO TOLERANCE!

Does UPS have zero tolerance or not?

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by over9five

But I don't want ANYONE who commits workplace violence to keep their job.

I want what all those UPS posters say: ZERO TOLERANCE!

Does UPS have zero tolerance or not?

Sorry Ovah, did not understand what you are referring to.
You talking about verbal or physical violence? intentional or regardless?

Zero Tolerance equals "Utter Stupidity" to me whether it's fingernail clippers at school or elsewhere. Every circumstance is different. JMO

[Hubrat98]

Originally Posted by over9five

But...but...but...What about "zero tolerance"?

Are we now saying it does NOT apply to management? Any management people care to comment?

To me "zero tolerance" means TERMINATED, not transferred.

I'm not saying that the OP was lying. I can definitely see the entire situation playing out as he stated.

However, I've seen a few instances where a union employee violates this policy and they don't lose their job. There was only one instance where employee got suspended for more then a few days only to re-appear in a different building as a driver . He was an over the top (from my obviously biased perspective) shop steward who pushed a manager.

While I agree that zero tolerance policies are usually assinine, if you're going to have one you can't pick and choose the situations in which it will apply. Regardless of which side of the fence the employee sits.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Sorry Ovah, did not understand what you are referring to.
You talking about verbal or physical violence? intentional or regardless?

Zero Tolerance equals "Utter Stupidity" to me whether it's fingernail clippers at school or elsewhere. Every circumstance is different. JMO

I agree. zero tolerance won't apply here anyway. the sup will say he stumbled or may even say that red moved into him.

Red reputation as a troublemaker will hurt him here.

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I agree. zero tolerance won't apply here anyway. the sup will say he stumbled or may even say that red moved into him.

Red reputation as a troublemaker will hurt him here.

If there were witnesses as Red said there were, I doubt that would fly (lying about it). Yes, the sup might not lose his job, but sup will probably not lie.

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

Moral to story - if a supervisor or manager ever gives you too much hell and harrassment that is beyond your control, trip or fall forward and smack accidently him in the jaw. Damn, must have slipped on that hub snake on the ground!

[toonertoo]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I agree. zero tolerance won't apply here anyway. the sup will say he stumbled or may even say that red moved into him.

Red reputation as a troublemaker will hurt him here.

So you are saying the sup will lie, and since he has a reputation of "troublemaker" that he will lose.
Glad I dont work there.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by over9five

But I don't want ANYONE who commits workplace violence to keep their job.

I want what all those UPS posters say: ZERO TOLERANCE!

Does UPS have zero tolerance or not?

Ovah, speaking from personal experience, NO. Not among hourlies and from the sounds of things not among management either.

What UPS has is whitewash on a fence. It is there to make things look pretty but it does nothing for the structural integrity.

[redshift1]

Originally Posted by 705red

Yesterday morning at work the preload had a bad day and did not wrap on time. I asked for air help from my ft on car sup, he said I could deliver it no problem. I went to my manager and explained that it is 925am and I have 13 air stops and 2 ssi accounts that must be delivered by 1030 and I still have a 20 minute drive to the route.

He said that I was right and he would make sure my sup would get me help. Well guess what, it was too hard for my sup to find help, it meant that he would accutally require him working for his paycheck. I had 9 late air packages.

I had a total of 47 stops for 571 pieces, all boxex not many letters involved. I delivered airs until 11am and had to start delivering the grounds. I was way behind and could not finish my deliveries and take a lunch, so I decided I would work through alot of my lunch to make service to the customers this 1 time.

The sup shows up close to 2pm and I still have 8 stops for 30 pieces including 6 nda savers. He has a raised tone in his voice and told me I F****** him on purpose. He told me I was done at my 1st stop at 945, I tried explaining that i started scanning 87 packages which 35 of them were international express asd's and I had to enter the 6 digit shipper number for each one. He wanted nothing to do with having a discussion, it was his way and that it.

He procedded to tell me he was going to F*** me and take away my gravy work and screw me every chance he gets. I told him that after I was finished with this delivery that I was taking my full hour lunch and 10 minute break and he would have to cover my deliveries or pickups, because i start pick ups at 215ish. He walked away from me laughing.

I took my lunch and notified my manager what just happened, he pleaded with me to finish my deliveries and than take my lunch, which I did for my manager In driving with this driver the sup told him I was a J** off for taking my lunch and I would get what I had coming.

This morning the sup asked my preloader to go to the other end of the dock, and he approached me with his voice raised and called me a F****** liar and threw his shoulder into me. Others in the area heard him and had turned around just in time to see him assault me.

I repeated 3 times to get away from me and each time I raised my voice for others to hear me incase i had to defend my self. After the third request i walked away from the situtation so I would not be put in a violent position.

The sup continued to laugh at me and told me to drive the truck. I explained to my manager that i was assaulted and to stressed out to operate the truck safely. I asked for the police to be called and the dm to come to the center.

I was then taken to the clinic for a fitness for duty test. And UPS's doctor agreed that I was not safe to drive today because my pulse and blood pressure were high.

I was driven back to UPS and dropped off at my truck and told to go home and come back after my vacation which starts tomorrow.

My manager said he would address this situtation, should I take his word or should I go to the police department and file assault charges on this sup. If the shoe was on the other foot, we all know I would have been walked out in handcuffs!

Sorry its long I wanted to get all the details in the first time. This sup should be fired!

Who knows what actually happened... what is known is a long history of self serving posts of questionable authenticity .

[NEFARIOUS]

If this happen to me or in my center I would still try and take this as far as possible. I would not want anyone else to have to endure this kind of treatment. That kind of behavior should not be tolerated by any employee manager or hourly....

[over9five]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Zero Tolerance equals "Utter Stupidity" to me whether it's fingernail clippers at school or elsewhere. Every circumstance is different. JMO

I agree. So let's take down all those posters that say zero tolerance, and hang new ones that say 50% tolerance.

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by over9five

I agree. So let's take down all those posters that say zero tolerance, and hang new ones that say 50% tolerance.

Not in my power to do so and I've never seen one anyway.
UPS has become so PC I don't doubt it.
Only posters I noticed were the ones that UPS does not discriminate based on age.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by over9five

I agree. So let's take down all those posters that say zero tolerance, and hang new ones that say 50% tolerance.

The problem is this issue is beyond the normal violence begets zero tolerance.

You have red who has proudly bragged here about being a pain in the companys ass in every way imanginable.

And now you have someone in the company who tried to provoke someone they thought a hothead into a violent reaction.

This aint normal human resources text book relationships here. This is a good old fahsioned ole school pissin contest.

The problem here is your expectations. You think Red can simply beetch slap the company forever and get away with it. Well it looks like he finally got someones attention.

Don't get offended because it happened. this is chicago where you should wonder why it did not happen sooner.

[hyena]

Take it all the way Red they wouldnt think twice about screwing you. If roles wouldve been reversed you wouldve already been fired. He needs to go!