Shouldered by a supervisor

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by whiskey

Damage control?

I guess ... should have known better than use logic on here.

[brownmonster]

Maybe Red is not telling the whole truth because "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

[toonertoo]

He is on vacation people. And maybe when he goes on vacation, he stays off the internet Now there is an idea.

[brownmonster]

He's probably spending some of that Chicago money up here in Wisconsin. Or in mourning after the Pack snuck by The Bears.

[SKAGITDRIVER]

you need to call the police and report an assault then get the names of all the witnesses ready for the police at this point you need to cover your ass then call your business agent and file a grievance for harrassment

[hdkappler]

Originally Posted by brownmonster

He's probably spending some of that Chicago money up here in Wisconsin. Or in mourning after the Pack snuck by The Bears.

i wish him luck.(pack snuck by the bears)anyone can get lucky.(next time bears meet the pack.)the bears are going to kicka-s.i would like to have a pack shirt/next week i'am going to polish my car.i wish red luck.
)

[brownmonster]

Packers defense had almost as many receptions as the offense. Go Cutler.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by UPSroanoke1

I did not agree with Brown Suit. It is your vacation and you are going to have to hand this supervision his pills now. I work for UPS part time have been there 15 years. Now my full time is job is working inside of a court room, working with the police and judges 5 days a week 9 hours a day. It does not matter where you live if you are going to press charges do it now. do not wait. The supervisor's lawyer or UPS's first question will be why did you wait so long. Will you say because it was my vacation, not good to say. If you don't press the charges then you will need to call your BA, call the 8oo#, note what happen date time who saw what where you were in the building. If you file the charges you have a better chance of getting film the company my have because if the they bring it to court the CA or PA for that state may tell UPS to hand over the film of the issue. File the paper work UPS will not let hourlys get by this,no one should be acting this why at work. I could understand some verbal disagreement because of the pressure they put on the drivers, but he went to far. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire in order to portect you rights. good luck.

If you work in a legal position in your other job then you must realize that the police do not like to get involved in these types of affairs?

Once you open that can of worms what next. Does management call in the police every time a hot driver threatens to whip someones ass?

Calling in the police will not be with out repercussions.

[MC4YOU2]

Originally Posted by tieguy

If you work in a legal position in your other job then you must realize that the police do not like to get involved in these types of affairs?

Once you open that can of worms what next. Does management call in the police every time a hot driver threatens to whip someones ass?

Calling in the police will not be with out repercussions.

Workplace violence is in the news today in New Haven Ct where that girl was murderesd at Yale. Yes its probably better to involve the police earlier than later. That makes their job easier than waiting until it gets farther out of control.

A few years back, we had a pt in the unload come out and deck the preload sup. He was subdued by another pt'er and taken to JAIL when the police got there and that's how it should be. We can't wait and see if some hot head wants to bring his gun next time. Clean the pipes, these types need to go elsewhere. There are too many good people out of work today to excuse this behavior as something he can work on.

[toonertoo]

I think if they tripled our vaca time, all would be OK.

[705red]

Wow, what a pretty good discussion going here. I have been out of town in New Mexico attending a labor class that my Local sent me for over the last week. It was a pretty intense class and all of my free time out side of the class was spent on homework and research for the class.

I would like to thank the majority of the posters that have given good advice on how to handle this. I have stepped back from this situation and have allowed another steward to handle this and I am now looking at it from a grievants angle.

To tie and dragon, you both have really showed how UPS operates in these situations. UPS is unable to treat an employee that also happens to be a steward as just an employee. You have showed that UPS will do what ever it takes to single out someone for their union activity. I am an employee first and do my job to the best of my ability. It has been several years since I have even been talked to for anything in an official capacity related with performing my package car job with UPS.

Now if UPS would adhere to and honor the contract they would not have to deal with me or other stewards. As an employee I am protected by not only the contract but several other laws for discrimination for my dealings as a union steward.

And if you read ties posts, he condones violence against me because of my union activity. When I am acting as a steward or an employee, I do not have the right to touch another person employee or not, and it should work the same in return.

The supervisor is still working, so UPS's own policy has now been thrown out the window! The steward said that there is a video tape, but I will bet money that it will disappear, because everything I have stated is the truth. No one to my knowledge has even been interviewed so UPS has really opened itself up here. Any union employee that I have represented for violence in the work place has been taken out of service so that they may get to the bottom of it, and to protect the other employees in case the charges are serious. It appears that maybe the employees might have to defend themselves because UPS will not provide a safe workplace.

This is not the first harassment charge against this sup. That all I will get into on this, so that no legal ramifications come back, but he was promoted after the complaint!

I am an employee first and I have been elected by the employees to represent their best interest and the contracts. Now if UPS has a problem with that TOO BAD! I fully expect to get fired Monday morning when I arrive to work, and I am prepared to fight this through the grievance procedure, NLRB, DOL, and if need be through the court system.

As an employee or a steward on UPS property I have the right to a Violence free environment! If you don't like me as a steward, don't violate the contract and you wont have to deal with me. If you don't like me as an employee because YOU make it impossible to deliver all the airs on time and you don't know how to do your job and get air help as you were instructed to do by your boss the manager, than either figure out how to do your job or quit! But do not put your hands on me again!

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by 705red

And if you read ties posts, he condones violence against me because of my union activity. When I am acting as a steward or an employee, I do not have the right to touch another person employee or not, and it should work the same in return.

I think if you read all my posts you would have seen that I condemn the possible "code red" situation here if it exists.

The point I've had made or tried to make here is that as the hell raiser you are its going to be difficult to capture the role of the victim here.
Hope it all works out for you.

[705red]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I think if you read all my posts you would have seen that I condemn the possible "code red" situation here if it exists.

The point I've had made or tried to make here is that as the hell raiser you are its going to be difficult to capture the role of the victim here.
Hope it all works out for you.

You see me as a hell raiser, why? Because i refuse to allow people and the contract to be violated? I admit there are times where people need to be scared crap-less, but not every time. Many of the times I'm in the office its the company attempting to intimidate the employee, and ifs uncalled for I will not allow it. There are managers that do not want me to show up in their center, because of this. But at the same time when an employee asks for me, the topic gets dropped. So who really is the one playing games?

Again as an employee it has been years since I was in the office needing a steward. I do my job! I deliver all my packages, call in my missorts, sheet everything correctly, make my pick ups with the 15 minute window, show up on time, no customer complaints etc. This all started because The sup did not do as he was told from his manager and he verbally attacked me. So I went to the manager and complained and then I was physically and verbally assaulted again. This is twice in two days and UPS had done nothing about it. That's the bottom line! 0 tolerance my ass!

[over9five]

So Red, did you do anything? Police report? Call the Help Line?

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by 705red

You see me as a hell raiser, why? Because i refuse to allow people and the contract to be violated? I admit there are times where people need to be scared crap-less, but not every time. Many of the times I'm in the office its the company attempting to intimidate the employee, and ifs uncalled for I will not allow it. There are managers that do not want me to show up in their center, because of this. But at the same time when an employee asks for me, the topic gets dropped. So who really is the one playing games?

Again as an employee it has been years since I was in the office needing a steward. I do my job! I deliver all my packages, call in my missorts, sheet everything correctly, make my pick ups with the 15 minute window, show up on time, no customer complaints etc. This all started because The sup did not do as he was told from his manager and he verbally attacked me. So I went to the manager and complained and then I was physically and verbally assaulted again. This is twice in two days and UPS had done nothing about it. That's the bottom line! 0 tolerance my ass!

I don't doubt that you do your job. Its clear you have a lot of pride in doing your best whether in the brown uniform or the stewards role.

If you have been a very vocal steward that rasies a lot of hell then its going to be difficult to go back and recapture the victim role. I think you know that.

I honestly think you take solace in the good that you have done and move on.

[cachsux]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I honestly think you take solace in the good that you have done and move on.

Or perhaps,

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[BigUnionGuy]

Red,

Just a quick question.

Was this a IBT sanctioned TLA.... or something your Local participates in ?


-BUG-

[Mike23]

ANY violence in the work place I'd handle thus:

1. Get the names of the witnesses in the area. Even swearing at you justifies a harassment suit. Of course, not in UPS land but in the actual code of laws, you know, that thing that UPS likes to skirt around?

2. Get police involved BEFORE UPS. This brings in a nonbiased third party and starts a paper trail (outside of UPS) on the stupidvisor. I would also imagine a police report would come in VERY handy during a grievance process as well as if he causes problems for you in the future, to take a restraining order against him. I'm sure the CM would be extremely pissed but they don't need to be informed since it's you're right to phone the police if you feel threatened in any way.

3. Inform your BA

4. Inform your sup. I'm sure they'd be pissed for not being told first but that's only because they can't cover things up before the police arrive.

5. Call the 800 number

I just like to leave management out of anything until the last possible minute. This way things don't 'disappear' when the police do show up.

I don't know about the rest of you but there are two lines you don't cross. That's threatening with bodily harm and physical intimidation (including fights). Hell, who knows how unstable this sup is? Maybe after your first day back he'll pull a gun and say you've f***** me over for the last time? Scary, but there are A LOT of messed up people that work for UPS.

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by Mike23

Scary, but there are A LOT of messed up people that work for UPS.

Amen ... ain't that the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dragon]

MIke23 - You do know that CSI - Miami (new season) is on tomorrow right.......

[dragon]

Oh by the way Red,

What comes around, goes around.

I do not think you will be fired tomorrow, but some people will be walking on egg-shells on both sides. You say you do your job, you do but thats it (according to your posts) as far as being a good employee...you leave a lot to be desired.

[MC4YOU2]

Originally Posted by dragon

Oh by the way Red,

What comes around, goes around.

I do not think you will be fired tomorrow, but some people will be walking on egg-shells on both sides. You say you do your job, you do but thats it (according to your posts) as far as being a good employee...you leave a lot to be desired.

Can you describe the perfect zombie- oops I mean employee?

[Bubblehead]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I think tricks point that the sup will either deny contact or claim he stumbled into red will come true.

I for the first time also agree with trick that the sup is trying to provoke Red into a physical response. he's not a lone wolf. Someone sic'ed him on Red.
The expression take one for the team comes to mind where someone takes a punch for the team to get rid of a hot head or pain in the ass.

I don't condone these actions and have no problem speaking out against them. Red needs to take his vacation and see how management handled the response.

The problem will be that the "stumble" is going to be difficult to prove to be a deliberate act of physical violence.

Another problem will be that if the sup is disciplined Red may never know what was done.

Now playing devils advocate. Red take a stroke count. Its possible you may have given more abuse then you have so far gotten. If so then you may want to take that into consideration as you decide how far you want to push this.

If you have been a frequent loud hell raiser then people know who you are. this incident will be one where you will have trouble convincing people that you are a victim. This is an incident where your past will hurt you as you go for blood.
Even the words you post here may come back to haunt you.

If you like swimming in the devils pool then you have to expect that you will get burned from time to time.

Crazy as it sounds it may be bragging time. Don't be offended. You have done such a good job of being a pain in the ass that they have now resorted to playing stupid games to try to shut you up. Wear the event as a badge of honor rather then a slap in the face.

For what I believe may be only the second time ever, I think I might have to agree with Tie on this one. The burden of proof, as you know, is a tall hurdle. With your history, they will easily paint a picture in which you will appear to have culpability. Whether factual or not, it won't be hard.

Document the event in the form of a harassment grievance and move on.
This situation may even play out as a trump card in some of your future dealings as steward.

Take the high road and do as Tie eluded and wear it like a badge of honor. Maybe a battle scar would be better analogy. I would be surprised if this supe is still in your center when you return. His departure could be the resolution in the grievance process if the higher ups are sitting on their hands. Either way by taking this course you'll come off as the bigger man in the process.

[Mike23]

Originally Posted by dragon

MIke23 - You do know that CSI - Miami (new season) is on tomorrow right.......

I never liked CSI...However, Law and Order SVU is damn good

[tomuchdrama]

Originally Posted by 705red

Wow, what a pretty good discussion going here. I have been out of town in New Mexico attending a labor class that my Local sent me for over the last week. It was a pretty intense class and all of my free time out side of the class was spent on homework and research for the class.

I would like to thank the majority of the posters that have given good advice on how to handle this. I have stepped back from this situation and have allowed another steward to handle this and I am now looking at it from a grievants angle.

To tie and dragon, you both have really showed how UPS operates in these situations. UPS is unable to treat an employee that also happens to be a steward as just an employee. You have showed that UPS will do what ever it takes to single out someone for their union activity. I am an employee first and do my job to the best of my ability. It has been several years since I have even been talked to for anything in an official capacity related with performing my package car job with UPS.

Now if UPS would adhere to and honor the contract they would not have to deal with me or other stewards. As an employee I am protected by not only the contract but several other laws for discrimination for my dealings as a union steward.

And if you read ties posts, he condones violence against me because of my union activity. When I am acting as a steward or an employee, I do not have the right to touch another person employee or not, and it should work the same in return.

The supervisor is still working, so UPS's own policy has now been thrown out the window! The steward said that there is a video tape, but I will bet money that it will disappear, because everything I have stated is the truth. No one to my knowledge has even been interviewed so UPS has really opened itself up here. Any union employee that I have represented for violence in the work place has been taken out of service so that they may get to the bottom of it, and to protect the other employees in case the charges are serious. It appears that maybe the employees might have to defend themselves because UPS will not provide a safe workplace.

This is not the first harassment charge against this sup. That all I will get into on this, so that no legal ramifications come back, but he was promoted after the complaint!

I am an employee first and I have been elected by the employees to represent their best interest and the contracts. Now if UPS has a problem with that TOO BAD! I fully expect to get fired Monday morning when I arrive to work, and I am prepared to fight this through the grievance procedure, NLRB, DOL, and if need be through the court system.

As an employee or a steward on UPS property I have the right to a Violence free environment! If you don't like me as a steward, don't violate the contract and you wont have to deal with me. If you don't like me as an employee because YOU make it impossible to deliver all the airs on time and you don't know how to do your job and get air help as you were instructed to do by your boss the manager, than either figure out how to do your job or quit! But do not put your hands on me again!