A supervisor stands up to the IE manager...and pays the price

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by DS

thanks sober
there ya go tie ,who needs mods
or maybe we could make both you guys mods,and you could take turns
deleting stuff.
I dont think sober loves the teamsters
He just hates managements way of doing things
but Ive been wrong before

As far as obama goes, he is one vocal president eh
Kayne West is a jackass...ha ha I love it

I'm up to two deleted threads and approximately 3 posts that were edited. Every single thread and post sober makes is a blatant attack on management here. So yes this site does favor the teamster poster.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by tieguy

You the mods have to decide what kind of site you're going to have here. if you're going to allow soberups to attack management with every word of every post then you have to allow a management response that does nto violate the decency rules which this one did not.
at this point you're decisions have clearly gone in favor of teamsters attacking the management posters here with managements response getting deleted.

Tie,
You are painting with too broad a brush, on this one.
Irony, sarcasm and general disgruntlement are allowed, if not taken to the personal level.
Has soberups attacked you personally?
(I can't read every post)
Tie, you are "in" management, not the sum total of UPS management that sober has issues against.
I am not defending sobers views, nor negating your view point, but, you went personal when you posted;
you're going to allow soberups to attack management.
You went from the general to the personal.
If you would have said;
you're going to allow a teamster to attack management.
Then your point of view might hold more weight.
As to the Mods having any control over which way Cheryl wants this site run, I can only say, read the TOS. All mods are unpaid volunteers that try to keep this site civil under the guidelines that Cheryl wishes.
I will repeat myself once again, all members in BC are moderators.
Many members report posts that they think are offensive and that is a great thing.
Action is taken where action is needed, by the mods.

[tieguy]

Sat ,

every single post that sober ups makes here is a loud blatant attack on management. Every single one. I let a lot of it go. I post some humor in resposne to his humor and my material gets quickly deleted.

what else am I supposed to think?

[soberups]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Sober have you heard of the concept of having sex with yourself. try it.

Tieguy have you heard of the concept of engaging in a real debate and responding to the substance of a post rather than having a tantrum and telling someone to go have sex with themselves. Try it.

[soberups]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I'm up to two deleted threads and approximately 3 posts that were edited. Every single thread and post sober makes is a blatant attack on management here. So yes this site does favor the teamster poster.

I am not responsible for your post getting deleted. I have never complained about a post or asked that anything be censored. I for one would like to see what you put out there, I bet it was funny. Rather than get my panties in a wad I probably would have laughed and taken it in the spirit in which it was intended. Something you might want to try doing yourself.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by soberups

I am not responsible for your post getting deleted. I have never complained about a post or asked that anything be censored. I for one would like to see what you put out there, I bet it was funny. Rather than get my panties in a wad I probably would have laughed and taken it in the spirit in which it was intended. Something you might want to try doing yourself.

I did try it . My **** got deleted while you have free reign here.

[DS]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I did try it . My **** got deleted while you have free reign here.

Tie relax
although you disagree with the recent chain of posts here,nobody has free reign
did you forget your geritol?

[soberups]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I did try it . My **** got deleted while you have free reign here.

Well, we are even then. I had one deleted also. Feel better?

[TheDick]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Sat ,

every single post that sober ups makes here is a loud blatant attack on management. Every single one. I let a lot of it go. I post some humor in resposne to his humor and my material gets quickly deleted.

what else am I supposed to think?

I agree with much of what sober ups has to say about managment performance. I dont care enough(myself) to write about it as thoroughly and thoughtfully as he does, but shoot if we as a company didnt have the issues he writes about the BC might not exist.

Tie, i smell stress leave. You might want to use some of that unlimited sick-leave.
Dang i was gonna start a thread about how to keep a good SUP from goin out on stress leave, but hmmm i'll think on it.

[ol'browneye]

To compare this to another thread, Tie got shouldered and "beetch slapped" and flew off the handle, unlike Red!

[TheDick]

Originally Posted by ol'browneye

To compare this to another thread, Tie got shouldered and "beetch slapped" and flew off the handle, unlike Red!

If the threads got deleted then theres no evidence and no witnesses.

[MonavieLeaker]

Originally Posted by tieguy

that was clearly a post that crossed into the management versus teamster arena. there was no nudity or profanity.

It did violate TOS in that it attacked the teamsters.

it was a response to the constant blatant attacks on management by soberups.

It was not offensive in a profane way.

You the mods have to decide what kind of site you're going to have here. if you're going to allow soberups to attack management with every word of every post then you have to allow a management response that does nto violate the decency rules which this one did not.

at this point you're decisions have clearly gone in favor of teamsters attacking the management posters here with managements response getting deleted.

Oh you poor baby....Grow the **** up seriously

[dragon]

Originally Posted by tieguy
that was clearly a post that crossed into the management versus teamster arena. there was no nudity or profanity.

It did violate TOS in that it attacked the teamsters.

it was a response to the constant blatant attacks on management by soberups.

It was not offensive in a profane way.

You the mods have to decide what kind of site you're going to have here. if you're going to allow soberups to attack management with every word of every post then you have to allow a management response that does nto violate the decency rules which this one did not.

at this point you're decisions have clearly gone in favor of teamsters attacking the management posters here with managements response getting deleted.

I am with Tie on this one. If you read SoberUPS posts they attack management for EVERYTHING period.

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by dragon

I am with Tie on this one. If you read SoberUPS posts they attack management for EVERYTHING period.

Tie's posts/threads were deleted because several homophobes objected to it's content.

Posters can attack the teamsters all they want to ... I have done it on many occasions and had Red go ballistic on me because I did.

This is a red herring.

[scratch]

Soberups made fun of the Teamsters too with an "Animal House" clip. I love that movie and added another clip that made fun of the union. I told the members of management they weren't supposed to watch it because it showed the secret IBT hand gesture........

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by MonavieLeaker

Oh you poor baby....Grow the **** up seriously

I love you too.

[soberups]

Originally Posted by dragon

I am with Tie on this one. If you read SoberUPS posts they attack management for EVERYTHING period.

I do not "attack management for everything".

95% of UPS management are decent, hard working men and women who do an excellent job.

Unfortunately, their jobs...as well as those of hourlies... are being made much harder by the other 5% who are responsible for the impossible expectations and asinine decision making that screws things up for every body.

Some times, the truth hurts.

[MC4YOU2]

Speaking only for myself I can say that I usually look forward to hearing both sides from spirited contributors like Sober and Tie just for the counterpoint factor. I find it valuable to see both views, especially since the few hours I have at home can be streamlined when contrary views get right down to it. I'm sure there will be times when someone crosses a line in the future and that's why the mods do the best they can in the time they have to do it. Now back to your corners. Let's have a clean fight! Dingggg...

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by soberups

I do not "attack management for everything".

95% of UPS management are decent, hard working men and women who do an excellent job.

Unfortunately, their jobs...as well as those of hourlies... are being made much harder by the other 5% who are responsible for the impossible expectations and asinine decision making that screws things up for every body.

Some times, the truth hurts.

Sober everything you post here is an attack on management or the things management does.

that was not my objection. my objection came when I responded to your posts in the same style and had my material deleted. Enjoy your site.

[govols019]

Bye

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by soberups

Yes and no.

The biodiesel I buy is about $.40 per gallon more expensive than petroleum diesel; but it also gets me a $.50 per gallon tax credit from the State of Oregon, up to a max of $200 per year. So after tax its about a dime per gallon cheaper, but it gets about 5 MPG less than petroleum due to its lower BTU content. Bottom line is, it costs me somewhat more to use biodiesel, but I do it anyway because I want to support a local sustainable business and the overall difference in cost is not significant.

I'm disappointed Sober, you didn't attack management.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Sat ,

every single post that sober ups makes here is a loud blatant attack on management. Every single one. I let a lot of it go. I post some humor in resposne to his humor and my material gets quickly deleted.

what else am I supposed to think?

Maybe it was your style of humor?
I only know that I have never deleted any of your posts.
Blatant attacks on management are not direct attacks on you.
Hell, babe. I got beefs with management and the teamsters.

[soberups]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Sober everything you post here is an attack on management or the things management does.

that was not my objection. my objection came when I responded to your posts in the same style and had my material deleted. Enjoy your site.

Its not my site.

I had nothing to do with your material getting deleted.

My material was rated PG and was intended to be humorous and satirical. Your material showed two men having sex and was intended to be offensive, shocking and hateful.

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by soberups

My material was rated PG and was intended to be humorous and satirical.

Ahem .... don't forget hateful, for that it most definitely was.

But so is most humor.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Tie's posts/threads were deleted because several members objected to it's content.

Fixed it for you, Hoke.

I hear Cheryl is offering her "objective moderating" class again--it appears as though you may have missed it last time--may I suggest you attend this time. Dave.