What would you have done? - Page 3 - Brown Cafe

UPS Lifer · 11-03-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

"Hi, I am Joe Driver from UPS. I had 3 suspicious looking pkgs and a gut feeling that something wasn't quite right but didn't bother asking a supervisor for guidance. I made it out to the house and everything about it screamed "crack house". There were 2 dudes parked in a car across the street waiting for me to leave the pkgs. The pkgs were clearly marked 'Please leave by front door--no signature required' so I didn't see a problem with leaving the pkgs by the door."

Yeah, that'll work.

My thoughts EXACTLY!! These posts that say "you did your job" are way out in left field. Obviously, this driver made the effort to start a thread because he thought something might be up.... I don't know how you guys do it in your district but the drivers trained in the Pacific Region have security training and are taught to get management involved.

Where did common sense go? You have 3 EAMS for a shack in the poorest neighborhood and you deliver them???? I am thinking this might be a troll phishing for an answer to see what the typical driver would do!

upsguy72 · 11-03-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

My thoughts EXACTLY!! These posts that say "you did your job" are way out in left field. Obviously, this driver made the effort to start a thread because he thought something might be up.... I don't know how you guys do it in your district but the drivers trained in the Pacific Region have security training and are taught to get management involved.

Where did common sense go? You have 3 EAMS for a shack in the poorest neighborhood and you deliver them???? I am thinking this might be a troll phishing for an answer to see what the typical driver would do!

Common sense isn't to common these days.

kixx · 11-03-2009, 06:14 PM

Did the right thing but I would have taken pics of the package were it writen leave of porch

UPS Lifer · 11-03-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

Yeah, I am also not interested in the least bit as to what is in all the boxes I deliver. But I think there are major differences in what was taught 20 years ago and what is taught today in regards delivery procedures.

I wonder! Maybe this is why some of the more experienced drivers would bring this to the attention of a supervisor and some of the new drivers don't care.

I think these younger drivers forget (or don't realize) the ramifications of their actions. There are a lot of drugs that are found in our system and many more drug dealers who are taken down by undercover cops working with UPS. This keeps a lot of the riff-raff away from you the drivers. They would rather go through another carrier who will not take all the precautions that UPS takes. If you aren't caring drugs or money or terrorist supplies very few crooks or drug dealers will be drawn to the brown UPS vehicle - this in turn helps to keep you safe.

Something to think about.

tieguy · 11-03-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

"Hi, I am Joe Driver from UPS. I had 3 suspicious looking pkgs and a gut feeling that something wasn't quite right but didn't bother asking a supervisor for guidance. I made it out to the house and everything about it screamed "crack house". There were 2 dudes parked in a car across the street waiting for me to leave the pkgs. The pkgs were clearly marked 'Please leave by front door--no signature required' so I didn't see a problem with leaving the pkgs by the door."

Yeah, that'll work.

Good point. I'm shocked at all the "look the other way" responses to packages that scream crack house at you. Many of us complan about drugs and how they are destroying our country yet choose to do nothing when faced with something this obvious.

UPS Lifer · 11-03-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ups1990

I've never been held responsible for a package that was driver released properly. People are constantly watching us; the neighbor next door and the one 3 doors down. As long as I, don't see a car following me, the package will get released. You know, UPS is telling drivers that send agains is costing the company money.

I noticed you are from SoCal. Riverside Center used to be part of the SoCal District many moons ago. This happened when it was part of SoCal.

A UPS customer counter clerk was suspicious of a package and brought it to the attention of management - Well guess what was inside? The box had hand grenades inside. !!!

If she hadn't CARED - It was possible that box may have exploded somewhere in the system and could have cost some UPS employee or driver their life.

SECURITY IS EVERYBODY'S JOB!

upsguy72 · 11-03-2009, 06:50 PM

Last time I check I worked for UPS not the Police. I deliver hundreds of packages each day to all sorts of neighborhoods and anyone of them could contain drugs. We work for a shipping company are job is to deliver packages safely and securely to the intended destination.

I wonder if the 3 EAM where going to a nice neighbrhood if there would have been any question of what was in them. This is why we don't get paid to guess what is in the packages we deliver.

The only question should have been whether or not the area was safe to leave the packages. Just becasue a EAM says DR anywhere doesn't mean you have to DR it. If you feel there might a problem with the package getting stolen then you can an should Ni1 and leave a note saying that a signature is required. Other than that DR 7 and get on to the next stop.

If the people at the address have a problem with it all you have to say that you felt there might be a problem with the packages getting stolen. Any SUP would have said no problem good call.

upsguy72 · 11-03-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

I noticed you are from SoCal. Riverside Center used to be part of the SoCal District many moons ago. This happened when it was part of SoCal.

A UPS customer counter clerk was suspicious of a package and brought it to the attention of management - Well guess what was inside? The box had hand grenades inside. !!!

If she hadn't CARED - It was possible that box may have exploded somewhere in the system and could have cost some UPS employee or driver their life.

SECURITY IS EVERYBODY'S JOB!

She was probably suspicious because a guy wearing camo came in with the package and ran out after dropping it off.

Everytime I Drop off the 4+ QVC boxes each day to this one address I wonder what bank the lady must have robbed this week. After all she doesn't have a job.

browniehound · 11-03-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

Good point. I'm shocked at all the "look the other way" responses to packages that scream crack house at you. Many of us complan about drugs and how they are destroying our country yet choose to do nothing when faced with something this obvious.

I would deliver the package. When it happened again, I would deliver it again and then notify UPS or the police. Maybe the police wouldn't want these "small potatoes" arrested and could accertain more info on the big players by continuing the deliverys.

So much information could be gained by letting it continue for a time and gather the intelligence. Just by using UPS the dealers are producing clues about the big guys that local authorities could only dream about.

browned out · 11-03-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by feederdriver06

Driver release and away I woulda went. If I was delivering a Rasta man's marijuana good for him. Its not my business to know what I'm delivering. Even if I knew what I was delivering I wouldn't say a word. I'm not interested in getting a pat on the back while Rasta man gets pinched for a pound of weed. Sorry.

Weed sells but who's buyin'; weed sells but who's buyin'

What do ya mean I didn't make my pick up compliance?

What do ya mean I didn't get my air off in time?

"What do you mean I'm not kind? Just not your kind."

NHDRVR · 11-04-2009, 03:34 AM

The quickest way to send up a red flag in my center is to do something that will get you one of those lovely highlighted printouts that are stuck in a few drivers faces each morning.

"Why didn't you work as you were trained..."

"Why aren't you working as directed..."

So when/if I decide to take some initiative and start policing who is getting what in a shady, or maybe not so shady, part of town then there go the red flags and questions. It's this talking out of both sides of your mouth attitude from management AND drivers that create unwanted friction between the two.

Is this something as simple as notifying your boss or maybe the police? Probably, but when you are told day after day to "follow the methods" then why are people surprised when I don't show more concern for a suspicious looking package on a doorstep. It's addressed, it's on my truck, I am going to do my job and, along the way, not decide who is a criminal.

NHDRVR · 11-04-2009, 03:38 AM

Also, what many of are speaking about goes beyond the general concern most of have as individuals separate from what we do for a living. If we see someone hurt, we will try to help. If we see someone broken down, we offer them a cell phone. It appears that with these drug deliveries that many of you already know who is guilty. Now go back to peeking out of your windows at the neighbors...

feederdriver06 · 11-04-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by browned out

Weed sells but who's buyin'; weed sells but who's buyin'

What do ya mean I didn't make my pick up compliance?

What do ya mean I didn't get my air off in time?

"What do you mean I'm not kind? Just not your kind."

"What do you mean I couldn't be the President . . of the United States of America?

"Tell me something. . . its still we . . the people . . right?"

BLACKBOX · 11-05-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by satellitedriver

I would have called my sups and stated my suspicions.

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Originally Posted by kixx

Did the right thing but I would have taken pics of the package

These would be the best options for me. when in doubt call let the sup make the call and if you have one (as many of us do) take a cell phone pic to "cya".

Secondly, anybody who watches me d/r stuff while sitting in a car across the street will play a big part of whether or not I decide to leave it at this resi.