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10-18-2009, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ups1990  A few weeks back, an on-road supervisor who happened to be on vacation, asked me to redeliver a ni1 nda package. Now if I, would have said no, could that have come under not working as directed?
The question is, does a manager have supervisor authority over an employee at all times? | What's all the commotion about? It's the right thing to do? If Hitler woke from the dead and asked you to redeliver that package you should of. We have a committment to our customers. Our customers that keep us employed. Do you think Jim Casey would of tried to redeliver that package? Your damn right he would of. In my neck of the woods all the air pieces that miss the pull time for the air trailer, get loaded into the trunk of a part time sup's car. Then that young man drives as fast as he can to the airport to honor our committment to our customers...
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10-18-2009, 11:08 PM
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Did they call you on your personel cell phone? or send you a message via diad? there lies the difference and how big your cajones are. I once saw a supervisor at a Mariner's game who was always a real jerk at work and he said something to me to be cute and I told him to "F" Off in a loud voice he walked away
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10-18-2009, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS What's all the commotion about? It's the right thing to do? If Hitler woke from the dead and asked you to redeliver that package you should of. We have a committment to our customers. Our customers that keep us employed. Do you think Jim Casey would of tried to redeliver that package? Your damn right he would of. In my neck of the woods all the air pieces that miss the pull time for the air trailer, get loaded into the trunk of a part time sup's car. Then that young man drives as fast as he can to the airport to honor our committment to our customers... | I hope a greivance is filed on this transporting packages is union work
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10-19-2009, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SKAGITDRIVER Did they call you on your personel cell phone? or send you a message via diad? there lies the difference and how big your cajones are. I once saw a supervisor at a Mariner's game who was always a real jerk at work and he said something to me to be cute and I told him to "F" Off in a loud voice he walked away | I guess we know who the real man is now.
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10-19-2009, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS get loaded into the trunk of a part time sup's car. Then that young man drives as fast as he can to the airport to honor our committment to our customers... |
And a grievance is filled out daily for that, correct?
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Originally Posted by SKAGITDRIVER I hope a greivance is filed on this transporting packages is union work |
Oops, missed that. You beat me to it!
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Originally Posted by over9five And a grievance is filled out daily for that, correct? | It's actually a covert mission. No one even knows its going on. Anyhow I've said it before so I will reiterate it again. "NO ONE DOES UNION WORK BETTER, THAN A PART TIME SUPERVISOR." This is why i ask a part time supervisor to drive the packages to the airport. If a union employee did it with a sense of urgency like the part time supervisor does, I would alternate and ask a Union employee one day and a part time supervisor the next. You see times are tough. It's cheaper and more efficient for the company to have to part time supervisor do it.
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10-19-2009, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS It's actually a covert mission. No one even knows its going on. Anyhow I've said it before so I will reiterate it again. "NO ONE DOES UNION WORK BETTER, THAN A PART TIME SUPERVISOR." This is why i ask a part time supervisor to drive the packages to the airport. If a union employee did it with a sense of urgency like the part time supervisor does, I would alternate and ask a Union employee one day and a part time supervisor the next. You see times are tough. It's cheaper and more efficient for the company to have to part time supervisor do it. | Isn't there some legality with a unionized person using a private vehicle for this sort of thing while on the clock? | |
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10-19-2009, 02:03 PM
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I guess i would ask you union. You have brought up a good subject.if you see asupervisor running missloads doing a route when your on vaction I guess we are allowed o write a grievance even if your in a diffrent state then where you work . Would that be correct.? IM NOT BEING WISE ON THIS I ALSO WANT TO KNOW/ | |
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10-19-2009, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoaxster I guess we know who the real man is now. | hmmm ... that one makes me nervous hoax
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Originally Posted by SKAGITDRIVER hmmm ... that one makes me nervous hoax | Don't worry skag, I can't quit you.
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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS It's actually a covert mission. No one even knows its going on. Anyhow I've said it before so I will reiterate it again. "NO ONE DOES UNION WORK BETTER, THAN A PART TIME SUPERVISOR." This is why i ask a part time supervisor to drive the packages to the airport. If a union employee did it with a sense of urgency like the part time supervisor does, I would alternate and ask a Union employee one day and a part time supervisor the next. You see times are tough. It's cheaper and more efficient for the company to have to part time supervisor do it. | So you admit to being unethical? I think that is mentioned in the UPS Code of Business Conduct. You know that is hourly work.
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Originally Posted by over9five So you admit to being unethical? I think that is mentioned in the UPS Code of Business Conduct. You know that is hourly work. | Do you think a pitcher is being unethical when he deceives the runner into thinking he going towards home when he is going towards 1st?
Baseball rules prohibit the deceiving of the runner.
I know I hate those unethical quarterbacks when they fake the ball to the running back and then run for themselves.
Let see how many other analogies we can come up with that are accepted, nay even applauded, in everyday life.
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10-19-2009, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by over9five So you admit to being unethical? I think that is mentioned in the UPS Code of Business Conduct. You know that is hourly work. |
Ethical companies don't survive 100 years. Ethical managers don't make it. If I was ethical, I would still be a part time unload supervisor. The code is just like religion, it's only there for people that need it. I have my own code of Buisness Conduct. It's called, "Get the job done, and make the customers happy." In the end the only thing that matters is happy customers. The customers keep all of us employed. If a customer pays for next day air they don't care how it gets there and neither do I. 99.9% of the next day air left in buildings are Teamster mistakes, for that I take matters into my own hands.
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Besides I am pretty sure managment can move a package to save it from missing service. I just happen to find parcels in need of service in between sorts when no union personell is around....
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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS Ethical companies don't survive 100 years. Ethical managers don't make it. If I was ethical, I would still be a part time unload supervisor. The code is just like religion, it's only there for people that need it. I have my own code of Buisness Conduct. It's called, "Get the job done, and make the customers happy." In the end the only thing that matters is happy customers. The customers keep all of us employed. If a customer pays for next day air they don't care how it gets there and neither do I. 99.9% of the next day air left in buildings are Teamster mistakes, for that I take matters into my own hands. | That's kind of odd, considering we are supposed to do the work so it makes a lot of sense, that we would make 99.9% of mistakes. Redundant and an unnecessary inclusion in your statement. Here's where I make my redundant statement. 99.99% of over 9.5 planned days are preload supervisor's faults. Although I do agree that the customer doesn't care how the package gets to the them, find somebody. If you can't find somebody bring the package to the driver, if he/she can't deliver it, you then have found the loophole that all means to use teamster work were exhausted, and that took what, two phone calls, so an extra minute? | |
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Originally Posted by Hoaxster Do you think a pitcher is being unethical when he deceives the runner into thinking he going towards home when he is going towards 1st?
Baseball rules prohibit the deceiving of the runner.
I know I hate those unethical quarterbacks when they fake the ball to the running back and then run for themselves.
Let see how many other analogies we can come up with that are accepted, nay even applauded, in everyday life. | Those are examples of competitors. Like UPS vs FEDEX. Not like sups vs teamsters. We may disagree, but we're still on the same team, not at all like the examples above you came up with, sorry.
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Originally Posted by MC4YOU2 Those are examples of competitors. Like UPS vs FEDEX. Not like sups vs teamsters. We may disagree, but we're still on the same team, not at all like the examples above you came up with, sorry. |
Sorry it was late and a pretty lame attempt.
I realized they were not very good analogies ... that is why I asked if "Let see how many other analogies we can come up with that are accepted, nay even applauded, in everyday life."
Maybe I'll think of some better ones today.
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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS Ethical companies don't survive 100 years. Ethical managers don't make it. If I was ethical, I would still be a part time unload supervisor. The code is just like religion, it's only there for people that need it. I have my own code of Buisness Conduct. It's called, "Get the job done, and make the customers happy." In the end the only thing that matters is happy customers. The customers keep all of us employed. If a customer pays for next day air they don't care how it gets there and neither do I. 99.9% of the next day air left in buildings are Teamster mistakes, for that I take matters into my own hands. | Yet, drivers are required to be ethical- that's fine with me. I won't lower my standards just to move up the ladder.
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Originally Posted by MC4YOU2 Those are examples of competitors. Like UPS vs FEDEX. Not like sups vs teamsters. We may disagree, but we're still on the same team, not at all like the examples above you came up with, sorry. | Are we on the same team? If I was playing short and you were playing second, would you file a grievance on me for covering second? Teammates wouldn't file a grievance on each other. We certainly are not teammates. The union is like managments farm system. We will call you when we need you.
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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS Are we on the same team? If I was playing short and you were playing second, would you file a grievance on me for covering second? Teammates wouldn't file a grievance on each other. We certainly are not teammates. The union is like managments farm system. We will call you when we need you. | Do you require your workers to refer to you as "Mr. Important"?
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Don't get mad because I made your Teammate idea sound silly.
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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS Are we on the same team? If I was playing short and you were playing second, would you file a grievance on me for covering second? Teammates wouldn't file a grievance on each other. We certainly are not teammates. The union is like managments farm system. We will call you when we need you. | Would a teammate give me a warning letter for bobbling a routine grounder? Would a teammate fire me for overthrowing 1st base with a runner sliding into me spikes up. Teammate is a 2 way street.
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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS It's actually a covert mission. No one even knows its going on. Anyhow I've said it before so I will reiterate it again. "NO ONE DOES UNION WORK BETTER, THAN A PART TIME SUPERVISOR." This is why i ask a part time supervisor to drive the packages to the airport. If a union employee did it with a sense of urgency like the part time supervisor does, I would alternate and ask a Union employee one day and a part time supervisor the next. You see times are tough. It's cheaper and more efficient for the company to have to part time supervisor do it. | TROLL | |
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