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10-26-2009, 07:50 PM
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W,
All those things you talk about gaining from going public were already viable aspects of UPS prior to ever going public. Investors wanted our stock, institutions own most of the shares held in the market. When we went public, we were scrutinized by these analysts that initially didn't understand our business. As a result you saw the upper management start micro-managing the company. We had one of the best credit ratings of any major company for many years. We used to pay cash for everything. Wall street doesn't like companys with no debt. Wall street also doesn't like to see lots of cash sitting around. We could have stayed private and continued to do quite well. Our biggest downfall was that we were so cautious and slow to implement new strategies, new services, new spinoff companies, that competition got stronger , became more advanced on technology and so on. We were always a day late and reacting instead of being proactive.
UPS is sadly looked at as a company with high labor costs, highly vulnerable to oil prices, lives and dies off the consumer, and is a giant that struggles to grow. Those that made all the money by making us public are the reason the rest of us will never reap the benefits of our hard work that they did.
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10-26-2009, 07:53 PM
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So are you saying we have 8 directors that are clueless about this company. That last one we hired works for a pickle company! Are we divirsifying into the pickle industry and need his expertise? | |
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10-27-2009, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Just Numbers  So are you saying we have 8 directors that are clueless about this company. That last one we hired works for a pickle company! Are we divirsifying into the pickle industry and need his expertise? | I can see it now......
"When it comes to satisfying the Wall St. crowd, we're in a real pickle."
" Well...let's get someone on the board from 'Vlasic'. He'll know what to do."
"Yeah....right....why didn't I think of that?......genius!!!"
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10-28-2009, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JustTired I can see it now......
"When it comes to satisfying the Wall St. crowd, we're in a real pickle."
" Well...let's get someone on the board from 'Vlasic'. He'll know what to do."
"Yeah....right....why didn't I think of that?......genius!!!" |
Maybe if UPS had a garbage man, a beer man, and a gambler like FDX things would be much different.
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10-31-2009, 01:41 PM
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Hard to argue with a consitant 2-4% return every 20-30 days.
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10-31-2009, 02:33 PM
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ups does not know how to BS a stock report.
FDX reported terrible earnings but said they saw the economy improving. Fdx stock jumped up.
UPS reported the same type of crappy earnings and said they were not sure the economy was getting any better. An honest answer that does not help the stock price.
Fdx is a shameless huzzy when it comes to working the earnings report.
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With a forward pe of 20. Looks like UPS is a little rich.
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11-06-2009, 07:08 AM
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Today UPS rang the opening bell at wall street ,opening at 50 dollars a share 10 years ago. The stock has appreciated to 54 making UPS a horrible investment. A bank CD outpaced the dividend over a 10 year mark. I'm sure not the stock appreciation the board anticipated over that 10 years. | |
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Originally Posted by wyobill1956 Today UPS rang the opening bell at wall street ,opening at 50 dollars a share 10 years ago. The stock has appreciated to 54 making UPS a horrible investment. A bank CD outpaced the dividend over a 10 year mark. I'm sure not the stock appreciation the board anticipated over that 10 years. | How many shares were sold in 1999 on the IPO? How many are outstanding now.
It could be that UPS has still raked in countless millions by selling new issued stock during those 10 years. | |
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Originally Posted by randomUPSISer How many shares were sold in 1999 on the IPO? How many are outstanding now.
It could be that UPS has still raked in countless millions by selling new issued stock during those 10 years. |
I cant answer that. I would think it was somewhat embarrassing to ring the
the wall street bell with a 4 dollar increase from the IPO 10 years ago. Its
nothing to bragg about. | |
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11-06-2009, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wyobill1956 I cant answer that. I would think it was somewhat embarrassing to ring the
the wall street bell with a 4 dollar increase from the IPO 10 years ago. Its
nothing to bragg about. | I agree with you Wyobill!!  | |
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There's a phony bell in the AGB in Louisville.
No one rings it....it just gets dusted every month | |
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Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor There's a phony bell in the AGB in Louisville.
No one rings it....it just gets dusted every month |
...and likely dirty looks from the people who resent the company going public  | |
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11-06-2009, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by randomUPSISer How many shares were sold in 1999 on the IPO? How many are outstanding now.
It could be that UPS has still raked in countless millions by selling new issued stock during those 10 years. | http://pressroom.ups.com/Press+Relea...Public+Company
"UPS, founded as a Seattle messenger service in 1907 by a 19-year-old named Jim Casey, was owned privately by employees, retirees and various foundations until Nov. 10, 1999. On that day, UPS issued 109.4 million Class B shares representing 10 percent of the company's outstanding shares at an IPO price of $50 per share.
At the time, the $5.47 billion raised on that day was the largest domestic IPO ever. Over the ensuing 10 years, public ownership of UPS has grown from 10 percent of the company's stock to 70 percent."
- - - - - http://investor.shareholder.com/ups/...financials.cfm Shares Outstanding: 994,457,??? Float: 985,200,??? | |
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Originally Posted by wyobill1956 I would think it was somewhat embarrassing to ring the the wall street bell with a 4 dollar increase from the IPO 10 years ago. Its nothing to bragg about. | Imagine if you were a member of the general public and bought shares on Day One at the opening price of $65. Your ten year investment would have earned you about 1%. http://investor.shareholder.com/ups/...calculator.cfm | |
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