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Jones · 10-27-2009, 04:23 AM

You will probably get your job back, especially if you're a bonus driver. We recently had a guy get canned who made you look like a boy scout. You name it, he was doing it, including signing for business stops before they opened and leaving the stuff on the dock. In addition he was breaking every safety rule we have, no seat belt, bulkhead door open, key in the ignition and engine running all day, etc. They followed him around for a couple days and documented all this stuff, so they had him cold. He was also running 2-3 hours under every day sooo....guess who's back?
They did make him sweat for a couple weeks though.
Remember, it's all about integrity

steve 2014 · 10-27-2009, 04:27 AM

Are you a runner? Bonus driver? Why would you falsify records , no excuse was the bonus worth all this aggravation?

brownmonster · 10-27-2009, 05:45 AM

Just the stuff you admitted to is unbelievable. Can't imagine what else you do. Sadly, if you get your job back you will go right back to the same bad habits.

dilligaf · 10-27-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I agree with Over and have no sympathy for the OP.

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Originally Posted by over9five

As they should. Sorry, no sympathy from me. You falsified DIAD entries to make your job easier, and you cheated our customers.

I hope you're more honest in your next job.

As do I. Stupid is as stupid does.

We had a driver that transfered out of our ctr to one that had telematics. Within a few months he was terminated for the same thing. He did not get his job back. It was proven dishonesty. He got away with it here but it did catch up to him.

I will sheet an air late rather than risk losing my job. If I get a warning letter then so be it. If the rte is too heavy then it needs to be fixed. Late air tends to force that action.

covemaster · 10-27-2009, 08:13 AM

Wrong yes,but I thought they couldn't use the technology against you!! I remember before Diad I had a dress shop that never opened before 1;00 pm I would still go & leave her NDA at store across the street.Just in case it was a set up or the owner came in early.As Over said, the shipper is the one paying for it.

The Other Side · 10-27-2009, 08:19 AM

[QUOTE=covemaster;624070]Wrong yes,but I thought they couldn't use the technology against you!! QUOTE]

COVE,

this is exactly the reason drivers continue to do things that are dishonest.

Article 6 clearly gives the company the authority to remove a driver using the GPS technology.

I would suggest you read it and clear up your misunderstanding.

covemaster · 10-27-2009, 08:47 AM

Maybe I mis understood ,but like I said ,he was wrong and I do it by the book.No matter what goes on during the day,I couldn't be fired for dishonesty!! I'm just slow...

Old International · 10-27-2009, 09:01 AM

I think you need to find another place of employment. When I was a coverage driver in Package, I hated to run behind this one driver. He would not pick up a call tag pkg if it was the last pkg on earth. I would have 20-30 calltags to clean up on a weekly basis. I always said that as long as he had a job, I had no worries. He was finally canned for not picking up the Call tags, and "inventing Packages" to deliver

UPSSOCKS · 10-27-2009, 11:39 AM

Wow,
I hate the Union and %92 of it's workforce but I am all about breaking rules to make the customers happy and yourself look better. I like you, put your resume in for management. Dishonesty is the foundation of this company. Managment is corrupt and the Teamsters are as crooked as the day is long. People will beat you down but the truth is everyone around you Management as well as Scum (hourly) have done something wrong. Find out what that is and blackmail them until you get your job back. Now Go!!!! May the wind be at your back and may god help you find dirt on everyone involved in your situation.

raceanoncr · 10-27-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS

Wow,
I hate UPS and %92 (or is that 92%, I don't know, I'm so stupid) of it's workforce but I am all about breaking rules and making a fool of myself and make myself look better. I like you, I'd like to date you. Dishonesty is the foundation of this company. Managment is corrupt (so's my spelling, he, he) and the Teamsters are angels. People will beat you down but the truth is everyone around you Management as well have done something wrong. Find out what that is and do the same wrong thing to them until you get your job back. Now Go!!!! May the wind be at your back and may god help you find dirt on everyone named UPSSOCKS.

Geez, you're making it too easy. I like challanges but this is like bringing a stick to a gunfight and you got the stick!

Go do yer little jabs on here but I like to match wit's with somebody that's got some ammunition and you...uh...well...bye.....

Oh, and threaten some more. That'll always work, AGAIN!!!

upsguy72 · 10-27-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pkgdriver

I think orchid said a shipper complained.

Ya I would have to they paid for NDA and got NDA savers if not worse.

Just_another_day_at_work · 10-27-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleeve_meet_Heart

My question is: why is it when I was trained on-route, the supervisor insisted that I sheet any NDA that was going to be late before 10:30 even if it was delievered after that?

Why is it that the company can set a standard like that, then fire someone else for the same exact dishonesty it preaches?

I agree. There is no such thing as "do it as they trained you" now days. I would be out of job in a few days. For me I got a good sup trained me back then, but I got a few routes that other sups came out with me, man I can tell you the book got lost somewhere.

Bryishre · 10-27-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by klein

No doubt ! Nice to see that !

Think of it as a pizza delivery driver: He was too slow to get to his customer, and pizza is cold.
(but was there before, said no problem).

Well, guess what, they got sick of cold pizza !

Sick and tired of it, while others get thiers hot and fresh.

Just like with us and gps. Thats why now they have thoes heat packs that plug into the cigerette lighter to keep the pizza hot till it gets to your house.

Bad Gas! · 10-27-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS

Wow,
I hate the Union and %92 of it's workforce but I am all about breaking rules to make the customers happy and yourself look better. I like you, put your resume in for management. Dishonesty is the foundation of this company. Managment is corrupt and the Teamsters are as crooked as the day is long. People will beat you down but the truth is everyone around you Management as well as Scum (hourly) have done something wrong. Find out what that is and blackmail them until you get your job back. Now Go!!!! May the wind be at your back and may god help you find dirt on everyone involved in your situation.

There is a lot of truth in this statement.....Mgt covers there assets more easily than union employs...so it gets sweep under the rug more...Bottom line..everyone makes mistakes...Honesty is best policy..

stevetheupsguy · 10-27-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

Sorry, no sympathy from me.

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I agree and have no sympathy for the OP.

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Originally Posted by The Other Side

I have no sympathy for him.

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Originally Posted by brownmonster

Sadly, if you get your job back you will go right back to the same bad habits.

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Originally Posted by dilligaf

Stupid is as stupid does.

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Originally Posted by Old International

I think you need to find another place of employment.

Wow, I hope none of you rocks this boat too hard. People that don't even like each other are in agreement here.

scratch · 10-27-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

Holy crap, The Other Side and I are in complete agreement.

LOL,
Thats the same thing I thought. The Other Side put it eloquently. The shipper paid UPS top dollar to deliver it on time. That was "too inconvieneant" for you to do, so you ignored that GPS going off and failed to do the job that you are paid good money to do. We don't need drivers like this, I hope he learned some integrity that he can take to his next job.

upsman68 · 10-27-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the other side

hi i was hoping somebody would be able to let me know where i stand. I was fired about 7 business days ago.
heres where you stand: You are terminated for dishonesty. Of all the topics on this board you should have read, i posted one when this contract was being ratified that explained just this scenario. Of all the training you recieved over the 3.5 years driving, where were you instructed to sheet anything away from the delivery point or sheet as closed or ni1 to avoid a 1030am commit time? Only an idiot would believe that he/she could circumvent the system designed to catch such dishonesty.

i had scanned packages away from their delivery points and sheeted them ni, or cl.
ok, you admit to falsifying records and "defrauding" the company and customer out of a legitimate delivery attempt. You continue to maintain that you were "helping out" the customers you service, but what you fail to realize is that you were not cheating the delivery customer, but the shipping customer who paid for the service.

most of the time it was with nda.
of course it was, however, i am sure you do it with many other deliveries that you just dont want to service, like apartments, business you cant make by 5pm or stingers. I am sure your sheets are as dirty as a pig in chhit. Once again, guys like you need to be removed from service as you make it tough on other drivers to come in after you and clean up your smokers the next day.

then i would bring the packages by some time later that day. I was doing this for a while. I knew it was wrong but i didn't think i'd get fired for it with no warning or write up.
you are a class "a" idiot. When they give a sheeting class, under the "do not do" section, they should have your photo. Why would the company need to give you a warning letter or a write up for a cardinal offense? You pulled the trigger on yourself.

eventually some shipper complainned,
exactly...the one who paid for the service you decided to cheat them out of. i can only wonder how many claims for refunds you cost the company.

and loss prevention gps'd a bunch of my deliveries. I admitted everything and explainned to them that anytime i did it, it was understood with the customer.
the customer? Not the shipper, you obviously dont know the difference.
but they didn't care-
why should they? You didnt care enough to do the job correctly in the first place, why should they show you consideration when you were not willing to show the shipper customer the consideration of giving them what they paid for?

i knew i was wrong but never thought i would lose everything for it.
again, you demonstrate you dont have the integrity for the driving job. Because of drivers like you, the company has to create more technology that complicates the delivery process further. Guys like you are the reason gps was created for the delivery drivers in the first place.

does anyone know what the chances of me getting my job back are??
thanks
this depends on how "dirty" you are. If your sheets are loaded with "false" recordings for months, then you will be unsuccessful in returning to work. If this was a "one time" event then you would be in better shape, but according to you, you thought you "covered" all the bases with your recieving customers and this demonstrates you are capable of deception and therefore are dishonest and without any integrity.

panel should dismiss your case and uphold your term.

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i wish people on this board would stop encouraging dishonest employees to fight for there jobs.

if they would only do the job correctly in the first place as we are trained, then there would be no reason to "fight" for a job.

if you want to give them any advice, rather than encourage them to "fight" tell them to beg instead. This will save everyone alot of time, effort and energy.

this particular driver is a dishonest person with zero integrity. He makes it tougher on you all with his actions.

he isnt the only one doing this type of action. There are many others and they too will be caught one day.

if this driver was too stupid to realize that he was cheating the system and eventuallty would be fired for his actions, then he deserves to be on the street.

i have no sympathy for him.

you are a little harsh on the guy.
You must have a bad life.
I feel sorry for you.

Bryishre · 10-27-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scratch

LOL,
Thats the same thing I thought. The Other Side put it eloquently. The shipper paid UPS top dollar to deliver it on time. That was "too inconvieneant" for you to do, so you ignored that GPS going off and failed to do the job that you are paid good money to do. We don't need drivers like this, I hope he learned some integrity that he can take to his next job.

I agree with all of you. He should not get his job back. But who paid for the shipping the shipper or the customer. Lol Had to throw a curve ball.

dilligaf · 10-27-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

Wow, I hope none of you rocks this boat too hard. People that don't even like each other are in agreement here.

Stephen, who doesn't like who here?

klein · 10-27-2009, 07:47 PM

Well, one thing I would like to know is this :
Was he always the last one in ?
Or did he have enough time in the day to do it right ?

Because, that makes a huge difference.
If they force so much work upon you, that you have to do "tricks" or skip lunch, just to get the job done.
Then, I'm leaning on his side.

But, if he cheated, just to get home earlier as anyone else... then that's his problem, and he'll have to pay for that now.

The Other Side · 10-27-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by upsman68

you are a little harsh on the guy.
You must have a bad life.
I feel sorry for you.

I dont have a bad life, I just see thru the B.S. and leave my emotions at the door. You should try it.

I dont get emotionally involved in cases like these, but I see many on this board tend to let emotion dictate actions.

Harsh?

Reality isnt harsh, making an example out of this guy so guys like you dont replicate his actions is my point.

Maybe thru the sheer uglyness of my post, someone will think TWICE before trying the same action, or maybe starting tomorrow, someone will change a bad "learned behavior" and keep his/her job.

Everyone needs to learn from this driver and learn that technology CAN come back and bite you in the rear when you least expect it.

In his case, he KNEW it was wrong, he KNEW he was on GPS, He knew he was doing this with many deliveries, mostly NDA but others as well (by his own admission) and he KNEW if he got caught there would be consequences to face.

He tries to "come clean" and admit to the wrongdoing, and that alone is NOT enough to insure he will turn into a decent driver in the future.

As someone else stated " he would return and go back to the same bad habits".

I would ask you or anyone to get the "bigger picture" on this driver. The level of dishonesty and lack of integrity would suggest that he is doing other things that would be against company policy, like signing for packages, or even stealing...

A false recording leads to further investigation.

A good deep look into his sheeting practices over the year could very well lead to bigger discoveries.

However, why bother. He committed a "Cardinal Sin", he was removed and lets leave it like that. Better for him.

From his own "cavalier" explanation, I can tell that his sheets are dirty as heck.

You dont get sympathy for bad judgement. Sorry.

He KNEW this would happen, and it did.

rod · 10-27-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dilligaf

Stephen, who doesn't like who here?

Just a rough estimate-----about 50% don't like the other 50%

Me- I like everybody except whats his name and that other guy..

over9five · 10-27-2009, 09:23 PM

I hate that other guy. Whats his name is alright tho.

UPSSOCKS · 10-27-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by raceanoncr

Geez, you're making it too easy. I like challanges but this is like bringing a stick to a gunfight and you got the stick!

Go do yer little jabs on here but I like to match wit's with somebody that's got some ammunition and you...uh...well...bye.....

Oh, and threaten some more. That'll always work, AGAIN!!!

Keep it up, your actions and responses just cost a part time sup thirty minutes of hard labor. In fact I am going to layoff low seniorities and bring the free help in. My DM would like to thank you for help raising our production and lowering our costs.

pickup · 10-28-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS

Keep it up, your actions and responses just cost a part time sup thirty minutes of hard labor. In fact I am going to layoff low seniorities and bring the free help in. My DM would like to thank you for help raising our production and lowering our costs.

I would be willing to bet that upssocks was once indeed a supervisor(for he seems to know the inside stuff) but the emphasis is on "was". He was probably one of those overbearing pricks who went too far in his arrogrance and was then shown the gate. As he was shown the gate, he probably saw the grins on all the faces of the people who once had to answer to and put up with him. Rather than acknowledge that it was his hubris that caused the firing, he blamed it on all those grinning faces(of which some may have helped speed along his demise). So now he is here pretending to still be a supervisor as he collects his unemployment checks.

How close to the mark did I hit, Upssocks?