FedEx Shippers

[HEFFERNAN]

Originally Posted by skirhustler

So don't cry when you lose your job because of low volume.

Trust me, I wont !! Where I buy toilet paper and such has no bearing on corporate sales. If we beat their price or offer something that Fed-Ex doesn't, then they will come back.

How 'bout this. Everyone go to Wal-mart and ask the manager for a sales lead. WHAT! That has to work right !!

WRONG

IT IS A CORPORATE ACCOUNT AND WILL ONLY BE WON BY OUR HIGHLY PAID CORPORATE SALES STAFF, NOT A DRIVER !!!

[dannyboy]

S-hustler

it doesn't help me or my union brothers have a job

So don't cry when you lose your job because of low volume

Let me be the one to correct your little mis-statement

First, it’s all about you and your union brothers. IT really is. During the last two contract negotiations, it was you and yours that got us to walk. Actually against what the majority of the union membership wanted. You and your brothers used the same tactics that Acorn is using to sway elections. But you used them to stack the deck for the upper teamster leaders to state that they had the backing of the union membership.

So because of the strike, and the games you and your brothers like to play, the customer (you remember them, they are the people that actually pay the company so you get a check every week) had to sign up with FEDEX just to keep their doors open. Who forced that? The teamsters, you and your "union brothers" forced our customers AWAY from UPS.

No longer do people feel safe just having UPS as their sole provider of shipping. Kinda like a wife whose hubby cheats. The trust is gone.

So they have the best of both worlds. UPS and an alternative. That way, if we want to go on strike, they still get service from the other carrier.

Then add the fact that in most cases, we are more expensive than other carriers, hardly ever pay off on claims (still waiting for the check on a damage from May 08 that they agreed to pay) and run roughshod over customer needs and requests.

But yet UPS maintains the “After all, We are UPS. They need us, we dont need them” attitude, which you seem bent on promoting.

So you see, as an ex UPSer, great volume is something we need. But when people like you lose sight of what is important, and focus on BS like this.......look for volume to even go lower.

As a UPS customer that also has other shipping options, using this type of tactic will cause the customer to really think hard about diverting 100% away from UPS. So that would mean those that currently ship about half of their product in by UPS will now divert the rest to the other carriers.

The age of tactics like yours are over. Better to learn how to provide a high enough level of service so the customer WANTS to send 100% of the volume to UPS.

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[Fedex Driver]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

S-hustler




Let me be the one to correct your little mis-statement

First, it’s all about you and your union brothers. IT really is. During the last two contract negotiations, it was you and yours that got us to walk. Actually against what the majority of the union membership wanted. You and your brothers used the same tactics that Acorn is using to sway elections. But you used them to stack the deck for the upper teamster leaders to state that they had the backing of the union membership.

So because of the strike, and the games you and your brothers like to play, the customer (you remember them, they are the people that actually pay the company so you get a check every week) had to sign up with FEDEX just to keep their doors open. Who forced that? The teamsters, you and your "union brothers" forced our customers AWAY from UPS.

No longer do people feel safe just having UPS as their sole provider of shipping. Kinda like a wife whose hubby cheats. The trust is gone.

So they have the best of both worlds. UPS and an alternative. That way, if we want to go on strike, they still get service from the other carrier.

Then add the fact that in most cases, we are more expensive than other carriers, hardly ever pay off on claims (still waiting for the check on a damage from May 08 that they agreed to pay) and run roughshod over customer needs and requests.

But yet UPS maintains the “After all, We are UPS. They need us, we dont need them” attitude, which you seem bent on promoting.

So you see, as an ex UPSer, great volume is something we need. But when people like you lose sight of what is important, and focus on BS like this.......look for volume to even go lower.

As a UPS customer that also has other shipping options, using this type of tactic will cause the customer to really think hard about diverting 100% away from UPS. So that would mean those that currently ship about half of their product in by UPS will now divert the rest to the other carriers.

The age of tactics like yours are over. Better to learn how to provide a high enough level of service so the customer WANTS to send 100% of the volume to UPS.

d

Very well said.

[skirhustler]

This post if for Upsers only.

[skirhustler]

Plus I give all my customers 110%, all of them even the ones I don't like.

[dannyboy]

Im sure you do. And when you dont, you try to strong arm them?

Your method for growth is a disaster waiting for a place to happen. Lets piss off half of our customer base because they ship via other carriers as well as UPS. That ought to really improve volume.

Hate to tell you, but your brand of intimidation is pretty much gone.

And this site is open to all, not just those "union" bobbleheads you want to post here.

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[Brown287]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Im sure you do. And when you dont, you try to strong arm them?

Your method for growth is a disaster waiting for a place to happen. Lets piss off half of our customer base because they ship via other carriers as well as UPS. That ought to really improve volume.

Hate to tell you, but your brand of intimidation is pretty much gone.

And this site is open to all, not just those "union" bobbleheads you want to post here.

d

I didnt realize that saying that I choose to support companies that support my paycheck is some form of intimidation. I choose not to shop at Wal Mart due to the fact that the one by my house is like walking into a third world country. As far as other companies that dont ship UPS well there are plenty(the vast majority of them) that do. So my shopping with them is not some form of protest, but actually a form of support for those you make my paycheck possible. So this thread should actually be one that we can list companies that ship through UPS so we can give them more business.

[HEFFERNAN]

Danny is correct

The '97 strike DESTROYED any chance of UPS taking over the delivery chain. And for what? All those FULL TIME jobs created by the strike are fading into dust and we still havn't recovered the business we lost then.


I feel past practices as well have hurt our reputation. Boxes being crushed in conveyor belts. Lost packages. 9am - 5pm mystery delivery times for business. Customers not knowing who their regular driver is anymore. The union can't take all the blame for this. Corporate has done everything it can to squeeze profits out of operations. Service will never be held higher than profits again, though Atlanta still feels both can still be highly acheived at the same time. IT ISN'T


I can't even imagine what UPS would have looked like this year if DHL was still in the picture.

[Brown287]

Originally Posted by HEFFERNAN

Danny is correct

The '97 strike DESTROYED any chance of UPS taking over the delivery chain. And for what? All those FULL TIME jobs created by the strike are fading into dust and we still havn't recovered the business we lost then.


I feel past practices as well have hurt our reputation. Boxes being crushed in conveyor belts. Lost packages. 9am - 5pm mystery delivery times for business. Customers not knowing who their regular driver is anymore. The union can't take all the blame for this. Corporate has done everything it can to squeeze profits out of operations. Service will never be held higher than profits again, though Atlanta still feels both can still be highly acheived at the same time. IT ISN'T


I can't even imagine what UPS would have looked like this year if DHL was still in the picture.

I agree with all those notes, but lets not lose track on the issue of supporting companies that do choose to ship via UPS. The irony was that just today I was explaining to someone the joke that was the 97 strike. Fast forward to today and guess what UPS had to bail out the central states pension to the tune of 5 billion dollars and take it over. 10000 new jobs aside, the strike was over pension control. Nothing more and nothing less.

[HEFFERNAN]

Originally Posted by Brown287

I agree with all those notes, but lets not lose track on the issue of supporting companies that do choose to ship via UPS. The irony was that just today I was explaining to someone the joke that was the 97 strike. Fast forward to today and guess what UPS had to bail out the central states pension to the tune of 5 billion dollars and take it over. 10000 new jobs aside, the strike was over pension control. Nothing more and nothing less.

Agreed

Ironically as well, some people here feel supporting a UPS shipper is the same as boycotting a Fed-Ex shipper. Apples and oranges !

[dannyboy]

Brown

There is a huge difference between supporting those that do, and boycotting those that dont.

One is a positive method of change, the other a negative.

Problem is, how do you boycott or support those that ship by more than UPS........

As for walmart, while they are the low price kings, where they have run off all other competition, they charge what they please. They are also very anti what they claimed to be while they were growing, which was in support of local businesses.

These days, If they did not get their daily infusion from China, they would have to close their doors. I suspect that walmart accounts for 30-40% of all of chinas imports to our country?

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[dannyboy]

10000 new jobs

That was one of the most over used BS lines in history. How can any company create that many new jobs, without the economy to support that growth. Oh yeah, we are going to make those full time, combining two part time into a full time. So when the smoke and mirrors quit, we are actually going to cut 10,000 part time jobs to create those full time 10,000. Never happened. And the Union knew it wouldnt in 97 when they "forced" the company to ink the deal.

Smoke and mirrors. And the company still got to take over the health and retirement plan for part anyway.

The 97 strike and all the additional burps along the way have only showcased just how unimportant the union has become. They are like {edited by moderator}, a whole lot of talk, but no substance. The only really lasting thing they produced is a customer base that will never trust UPS to be their only shipping company.

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[brownmonster]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

That was one of the most over used BS lines in history. How can any company create that many new jobs, without the economy to support that growth. Oh yeah, we are going to make those full time, combining two part time into a full time. So when the smoke and mirrors quit, we are actually going to cut 10,000 part time jobs to create those full time 10,000. Never happened. And the Union knew it wouldnt in 97 when they "forced" the company to ink the deal.

Smoke and mirrors. And the company still got to take over the health and retirement plan for part anyway.

The 97 strike and all the additional burps along the way have only showcased just how unimportant the union has become. They are like {edited by moderator}, a whole lot of talk, but no substance. The only really lasting thing they produced is a customer base that will never trust UPS to be their only shipping company.

d

How unimportant is that union pension check you get every month?

[Hawaii50]

After drinking to much alcohol while watching GI JOE then reading mulitple posts on this fourm about FED-EX. I have come to this conclusion from my drunken state of mind.

From certain angles the tree is dying. Alliances are being made by the competition to weaken/destroy UPS. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Fred Smith and the Walton Family Alliance is slowing coming together. The "Smith/Walton ENTITY" has the potential to destroy our way of life as UPSers. The Smith/Walton Entity are getting their ground troops"suppliers" in place, and some of the ground troops"suppliers" are falling in line. Change shippers or risk losing our business arrangement? Walmart is so big and their market is so huge, no small/medium business owner/CEO in their right mind would risk losing the type of visbility Walmart offers for their products.

The only opening I see for UPS to gain huge marketshare on or ahead of FED-EX is "aircraft lift capabilty". FED-EX recently threaten to cancel their Boeing aircraft freighter order becuase the Union legislation. That means FED-EX lift capabilty will be capped for several years unitll they get more Freighters online. FED-EX has a numerical advantage when it comes to planes. However majority of the planes are small feeders. Fed-EX freighters feed there Major hubs. That hub process and sends out the feeder planes to smaller hubs for delivery by their trucks."SAME JOB DIFFERENT COLOR TRUCKS"

Sometimes I wonder? FED-EX claims the majority of their packages delivered by Air. Why would FED-EX need 30,000 medium duty trucks.
In 2003, FedEx bet on hybrids, predicting that hybrid vehicles had the potential to replace the company’s 30,000 medium-duty trucks over the next 10 years. http://www.environmentalleader.com/2008/10/02/fedex-hybrid-truck-plan-hits-speed-bump/. That fleet has expanded greatly since 2003.

[BLACKBOX]

Originally Posted by Hawaii50

After drinking to much alcohol while watching GI JOE then reading mulitple posts on this fourm about FED-EX. I have come to this conclusion from my drunken state of mind.

From certain angles the tree is dying. Alliances are being made by the competition to weaken/destroy UPS. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Fred Smith and the Walton Family Alliance is slowing coming together. The "Smith/Walton ENTITY" has the potential to destroy our way of life as UPSers. The Smith/Walton Entity are getting their ground troops"suppliers" in place, and some of the ground troops"suppliers" are falling in line. Change shippers or risk losing our business arrangement? Walmart is so big and their market is so huge, no small/medium business owner/CEO in their right mind would risk losing the type of visbility Walmart offers for their products.

The only opening I see for UPS to gain huge marketshare on or ahead of FED-EX is "aircraft lift capabilty". FED-EX recently threaten to cancel their Boeing aircraft freighter order becuase the Union legislation. That means FED-EX lift capabilty will be capped for several years unitll they get more Freighters online. FED-EX has a numerical advantage when it comes to planes. However majority of the planes are small feeders. Fed-EX freighters feed there Major hubs. That hub process and sends out the feeder planes to smaller hubs for delivery by their trucks."SAME JOB DIFFERENT COLOR TRUCKS"

Sometimes I wonder? FED-EX claims the majority of their packages delivered by Air. Why would FED-EX need 30,000 medium duty trucks.
In 2003, FedEx bet on hybrids, predicting that hybrid vehicles had the potential to replace the company’s 30,000 medium-duty trucks over the next 10 years. http://www.environmentalleader.com/2008/10/02/fedex-hybrid-truck-plan-hits-speed-bump/. That fleet has expanded greatly since 2003.

Doesn't sound like a post from somebody in a drunken state of mind. You're on a roll, down another 40 ouncer and tell us more about how the Smith/Walton alliance plan to drive volume away from UPS (or is it the Teamsters?).

As far as FDX flying freighters into their hub in Memphis and re-distribute via feeder aircraft. Isn't that what we do also at SDF? Unless you have a market that supports having a freighter fly directly into your city this just seems logical.

The 30,000 medium duty trucks, you must be talking about FDX Express, just like any company with large fleets, sooner or later you need to replace your aging, less-eco friendly trucks. In this tough economy, FDX and UPS will be looking to upgrade and replace their existing inventory and not add to.

[dannyboy]

BM

Let me pose a question to answer your question.

Who put that money into the plan so I get a check?

When left to their own devices, the Union has shown they can be trusted, right?

You can then argue that the union demanded and negotiated for that retirement check. Yes they did. But who earned that money?

You make it sound like it is a gift that is given because of the large great heart of the union.

Like it or not, the Teamsters would go bust without the cash cow called UPS. Their whole business plan revolves around brown. And without help from the sidelines, the Teamsters would not stand a chance with Fedex.

So, to answer your question, the pension is great. But it is totally dependent on how well UPS does now and in the future, not to mention the economy.

H 50, there is a lot to be said about dealing with walmart. Ask them why they dont carry glass plus for instance........

I have seen walmart run several manufacturing businesses here into the ground. They first come to you because you make the best product at a fair price. So you buy all the needed additional equipment, expand and rent/lease/buy new buildings to house the additional expanded equipment.

Everything is great for a couple of years, until they start with the smiley face. They come in and tell you what they will pay for your product, because there are off shore companies that will make the same product for less.

So now you are not making 37.22 cents on your product, but going in the hole 2 cents each. Well, for a while, you try to make it on the earnings of the former years, but to no avail. You even try to contact those companies that you dropped three years ago to focus on walmart, but they have either quit carrying what you made, or gone overseas when you dropped them for walmart. So they are not interested.

Now, you have got 40 million dollars in debt because of your expansion, 1100 employees that you really dont want to let go, or cut their already low wage, so what do you do?

Walmart is the school house bully of retail. Where ever there is competition, they will have low prices. Without? Watch the prices go up and up until someone else comes in again, when they drop those prices.

There are times when what I am needing can only be found at walmart. But those times are rare. And it is very rare that I ever shop there. But there are hundreds of millions that will spend hundreds of dollars a week there. Every week.

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[brownmonster]

I read the Teamster publications. It's not UPS that is the cash cow. It's the 22 bus drivers in Topeka KS or the 17 policeman in Butte MT or the 37 warehouse workers at Burp Beverages in Hayward WI that carry the union

[dannyboy]

Yup, its those 76 employees that saved up the millions of dollars it took to right the good ship central states.

You are trying to sing the virtues of unionism. While they still present some improvement on certain issues (the days of actually making the work place a better place is long over) for some employees, in many ways, it is a step backward. The unions are finding they need to reinvent themselves to where people actually want to belong.

What I have found to be more the case is that if a business treats its emplyees bad, they continue to treat them bad after unionization. Voting in a union does not change a bosshole.

Back to the subject, had I not made the money I did at UPS, I would not have stayed at UPS, but instead gone elsewhere. Just as I have in retirement. I dont look to anyone to give me a damn thing, I earned everything I have ever gotten. Including the retirement.

BTW, it will be 2016 before I break even on the money it took to buy out my last three years of retirement. Money I had to put into the pot, out of my pocket. So please, spare me the union gave you everything you have and are spiel. It wont fly.

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[skirhustler]

Support UPS shippers not FedEx shippers. I do.

[brownmonster]

Originally Posted by brownmonster

I read the Teamster publications. It's not UPS that is the cash cow. It's the 22 bus drivers in Topeka KS or the 17 policeman in Butte MT or the 37 warehouse workers at Burp Beverages in Hayward WI that carry the union

It's called sarcasm. Don't be so defensive.

[Dis-organized Labor]

I personally ship UPS even when it is more expensive that the "Others".

I'm sure it come back to me (us) somehow/someway.

[Fedex Driver]

Originally Posted by skirhustler

This post if for Upsers only.

I was a driver for UPS from 81-99.

[Dis-organized Labor]

Originally Posted by Fedex Driver

I was a driver for UPS from 81-99.

Wanna' come back? We may need some people.

[hdtvtechno]

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

Wanna' come back? We may need some people.

LMAO good come back

[Fedex Driver]

Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

Wanna' come back? We may need some people.

Im very happy at Fedex and plus im too old to do any hard work.