UPS Employee Refuses To Deliver Package Of Pot

[whiskey]

Originally Posted by why1031

Just another excuse to fire a driver.it's always the drivers fault....

How many pounds of pot go through UPS on a daily basis? I'm gonna guess... 35 tons? Most of it overnighted. But the DEA probably knows within a couple of thousand pounds, the correct tonnage. I'm sure every pre-load sup has his stash.

[toonertoo]

Originally Posted by BLACKBOX

Who wants to be a hero? Just deliver the package. I wonder what percentage of UPS revenue comes from people shipping illegal drugs? If they sent it once you know they've used us many times before.

Originally Posted by covemaster

If this guy had any commonsense and has been at UPS for 17 yrs,especially in that area ,he should of been more afraid of the ramifications & rath put on him from the drugs not being delivered to by the cons,or the shipper. I'm sure the dealers knew his dailey routine. I would of left it & then called UPS on it,which they would say "we will look into it "" then file in the who gives a ship file cabinet!!

Originally Posted by tieguy

the news is only giving the drivers version since the company will not provide them with confidential details.

the case ran the grievance process and the driver lost. That could be a clue that there may be more to this story then what the news is reporting.

Yes he was totally wrong to open it. That goes without saying. But he is also wrong to question what is in it. Its none of our business. If UPS cared they would have the dogs in every day. They threw them out of my building.
Covemaster and Blackbox nailed it.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by toonertoo

Yes he was totally wrong to open it. That goes without saying. But he is also wrong to question what is in it. Its none of our business. If UPS cared they would have the dogs in every day. They threw them out of my building.
Covemaster and Blackbox nailed it.

The safe answer is to not care whats in the box. Deliver everything by the methods and let someone else worry about it.

The problem is we live in a world ruined by drugs and a dangerous world ripe with terrorists and terrorist types.

I don't think we should be inspecting every box that we get as part of ups's security force.

I do think that we as citizens of this world do have a responsibility to report those boxes that scream drug delivery at us or those that look highly unusual or suspicious for one reason or another.
Everyone here who said we should look the other way should also not complain the next time some druggie mugs, burglarizes or carjacks them.
Don't call the cops. Take your drug induced beating and write off the loss like a champ.

[upsguy72]

Originally Posted by tieguy

The safe answer is to not care whats in the box. Deliver everything by the methods and let someone else worry about it.

The problem is we live in a world ruined by drugs and a dangerous world ripe with terrorists and terrorist types.

I don't think we should be inspecting every box that we get as part of ups's security force.

I do think that we as citizens of this world do have a responsibility to report those boxes that scream drug delivery at us or those that look highly unusual or suspicious for one reason or another.

That's a great Idea

But can you be specific about what makes a package scream I'm full of illegal drugs. I mean there is going to have to be some sort of stardards that each driver can use to determine which box might contain drugs or it will just be a guessing game.

[dannyboy]

You know, Tie is a bit rough when it comes to that last post, but it is true.

Problem is that there are a ton of posts on this subject, and very few got it right.

Any time you have a suspicious package on your car, you are to call your sup. That takes any responsibility off your back, and places it on theirs. Youve done your part, just deliver it like any other.

But for sure, dont take things into your own hands like this driver

d

[Jones]

For me it's more philosophical. I think the "war on drugs" is a misguided joke, so I'm not going to be doing any volunteer work to support it. I also don't think our world is being ruined by anything, much less drugs.

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Had he made the phone call before he went back, the following would most likely of happened.

1 Nothing, as we know most LP guys are basically lazy, and feel drivers dont know a dang thing past running to the bank with a check that is too large. (yeah I know, they have contempt for most hourly)

2 In the event that LP actually got on the stick, they would have contacted law enforcement and would have busted the owner and sender of the package. This would give LP bragging rights, and justification for putting him in another position.

In either event, the driver would have not been the center of the story, and would still have his job.

Bottom line, he will not get his job back. Another driver does things his way, and not by the book, and gets bitten.

d

If he had called the center manager, the center manager would have sold it and they would have split the money.

[Dis-organized Labor]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

If he had called the center manager, the center manager would have sold it and they would have split the money.

Us Managers are way above dealing with MJ...;-)

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Jones

I also don't think our world is being ruined by anything, much less drugs.

I'm surprised you feel you can say that. You're close enough to DC to see the problems drugs have wrought on that city.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Any time you have a suspicious package on your car, you are to call your sup. That takes any responsibility off your back, and places it on theirs. Youve done your part, just deliver it like any other.

But for sure, dont take things into your own hands like this driver

d

Words of wisdom, to survive at UPS.

[Dis-organized Labor]

By the way, was it Humbolt Gold? Thai Alai? Keno Beeno????

I read about these on the Internet...............;-)

[soberups]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I'm surprised you feel you can say that. You're close enough to DC to see the problems drugs have wrought on that city.

Its not the drugs, its the illegal status of and the resultant black market for the drugs that causes the problems.

Make the drugs legally available by prescription to registered addicts for a few cents a day and you will eliminate the black market by undercutting the price to the point where the smugglers and pushers can no longer make a profit.

I lost a marriage and my son lost a mother to drugs and alcohol. I very nearly lost my life to drugs and alcohol. Having spent many years on the front lines of the "war on drugs" I can tell you from personal experience that it cannot be fought and won through prohibition.

The definition of insanity is to continue the same action over and over while expecting a different result. We are beating our heads into a brick wall with our "war on drugs"...and its not the wall that is bleeding.

[NY11725]

WOW... 4 pounds of marijuana...I would of pinched like a ounce or two and retaped it back up and delivered it...I mean I dont think a customer can call and say I am missing pot....lol..but damn I hope it was some fire and not some dirt

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by NY11725

WOW... 4 pounds of marijuana...I would of pinched like a ounce or two and retaped it back up and delivered it...I mean I dont think a customer can call and say I am missing pot....lol..but damn I hope it was some fire and not some dirt

Really?
The "customer" is not stupid- (well maybe)- and might just corner the driver and ask where is the rest of my "stuff".
I have seen guns drawn over one pill missing in a deal.
Anyone that is willing to steal a nickle is willing to steal a dollar.
If you feel comfortable being a thief, then you should be treated like a thief.

[dannyboy]

Make the drugs legally available by prescription to registered addicts for a few cents a day and you will eliminate the black market by undercutting the price to the point where the smugglers and pushers can no longer make a profit.

Sober

Who is going to "make" the drug for whom to prescribe at a low enough price to run the drug cartel out of business? Our Gooberment?

And who is going to figure out a reasonable symptom for someone to get a script for heroin? Crack? And the list is endless. And who is the one in authority to write the script?

And then of course there is the problem of prescription drugs in the illegal market. They are prescribed as you suggest, but yet look at the market for them.

I disagree that your suggestion is the answer.

But on a side bar, I can respect someone that has dealt on the front lines the devastation caused by the misuse of drugs and alcohol.

d

[Jones]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I'm surprised you feel you can say that. You're close enough to DC to see the problems drugs have wrought on that city.

DC is a screwed up city, but the rampant drug abuse (among a lot of other things) is a symptom of it's problems, not the cause.

[bluehdmc]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I'm surprised you feel you can say that. You're close enough to DC to see the problems drugs have wrought on that city.

I thought the problem in DC was the politicians.

[toonertoo]

Originally Posted by tieguy

The safe answer is to not care whats in the box. Deliver everything by the methods and let someone else worry about it.

The problem is we live in a world ruined by drugs and a dangerous world ripe with terrorists and terrorist types.

I don't think we should be inspecting every box that we get as part of ups's security force.

I do think that we as citizens of this world do have a responsibility to report those boxes that scream drug delivery at us or those that look highly unusual or suspicious for one reason or another.
Everyone here who said we should look the other way should also not complain the next time some druggie mugs, burglarizes or carjacks them.
Don't call the cops. Take your drug induced beating and write off the loss like a champ.

I agree and that is what a "normal and reasonable person" would be expected to do. That is what I used to do. And then after seeing there was no protocol in place, to protect me, once they pulled the pkg, (or pkgs) realized I was writing my own obituary.
But here, as in many centers, they dont want the hassle, its not just us looking the other way. Its us looking the other way because we have no backup.

[BLACKBOX]

Originally Posted by bluehdmc

I thought the problem in DC was the politicians.

I thought the problem in DC was the Redskins!

[covemaster]

Originally Posted by NY11725

WOW... 4 pounds of marijuana...I would of pinched like a ounce or two and retaped it back up and delivered it...I mean I dont think a customer can call and say I am missing pot....lol..but damn I hope it was some fire and not some dirt

Thats a bright idea!! Sounds like you have no morals.What if it was a DEA test pkg & you got stung ??? Stupid idea!! You have to remember one thing at UPS to survive It's only cardboard & I don't care whats in it,ITS NOT MINE>>> The temptation of some people baffles me ,is any pkge worth losing your job or worse your integrity!! No I don't think so.

[covemaster]

It's not our call to open a quetionable pkg,just to deliver them. I have in the past refused to deliver a pkg of smokes or wine to a house were the kid said I'm 21,with no I.D..I would sheet as no adult avaiable & go back later.Thats commonsense.I wouldnt open it and drink it or smoke it,just go back when adult is there .I would deliver drugs to a house or kiddie porn also.But iI would call UPS asap & tell them from my experience over the yrs what it was & let them make the call to the Police.If a pkge was split open and saw it was kiddie porn or drugs ,I wouldn't even touch it,I would call a mgr to come right out to the rte & see it.They call the shots,not us.Always put the ball in UPS court.

[over9five]

Originally Posted by covemaster

Thats a bright idea!! Sounds like you have no morals.What if it was a DEA test pkg & you got stung ??? Stupid idea!! You have to remember one thing at UPS to survive It's only cardboard & I don't care whats in it,ITS NOT MINE>>> The temptation of some people baffles me ,is any pkge worth losing your job or worse your integrity!! No I don't think so.

That's what I'M talkin' about!!!!!!

[covemaster]

Thanks from one old schooler to another !!!

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by upsguy72

That's a great Idea

But can you be specific about what makes a package scream I'm full of illegal drugs. I mean there is going to have to be some sort of stardards that each driver can use to determine which box might contain drugs or it will just be a guessing game.

Your question is a little bit of a sidebar but generally the package comes from a customer counter or ups store rather then a regular pickup account. its air . Its taped real well and the real tip off going to a vacant house or business with no inventory that is clearly a front.

I'm not asking anyone to be a hero. You definitely should not open the package. Just report the suspicious activity and let the manager or LP person take care of it.

Covers post brings up another idea. would you deliver a box coming from a porn distributer to a house with young kids in it?

Just curious where the "I could care less whats in the box" thing ends.

In any case drugs are ruining this world in so many ways and I'm shocked at the indifference shown here.

[over9five]

How would you know it's from a porn distributor? Does the return address really say "Joes Porn"?
Shouldn't the shipper have put "adult sig required" on it?
Do the methods even say anything about reading the return address on every package we deliver?

Just sayin.....