UPS Employee Refuses To Deliver Package Of Pot - Brown Cafe

barney · 11-04-2009, 06:03 PM

You have got to read this... I'm just puttin' it out there...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21510576/detail.html

upsguy72 · 11-04-2009, 06:22 PM

The idiot opened the package he should have been fired. If something was sticking out of it like he said he should have Scanned it damaged and brought it back to the building and notified a SUP not open up the box.

Johney · 11-04-2009, 06:23 PM

Wow! I have to believe there must be more to this story.

rod · 11-04-2009, 06:30 PM

We were always taught to inspect the package if it was suspected of being damaged. That included opening it up if necesssary. There were a lot of porn packages that were suspected of being damaged

On a serious note we did complete tons of deliveries that sounded like something was broken- but wasn't. That is why God invented taper guns- right kenmei?

HEFFERNAN · 11-04-2009, 06:34 PM

He even admitted to opening the package !!! I think that would be tough to overturn. We could retape the box as drivers but never open it.

upsguy72 · 11-04-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rod

We were always taught to inspect the package if it was suspected of being damaged. That included opening it up if necesssary. There were a lot of porn packages that were suspected of being damaged

On a serious note we did complete tons of deliveries that sounded like something was broken- but wasn't. That is why God invented taper guns- right kenmei?

When you went to driving school didn't loss prevention tell you that you are not aloud to stick you had in a box. If it's open you can tape it up. IF you shake it and it sounds like it broken bring it back to the building and give it the clerk.

Opening packages and checking to see if something is broke is a good way to get accussed of stealing something that is why you don't open packages up. It's also a great way to get fired.

Bad Gas! · 11-04-2009, 06:45 PM

We have pot sting deliveries every once in awhile here...As soon as driver makes a signed delivery, consignee is swarmed by undercover cops..

rod · 11-04-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by upsguy72

When you went to driving school didn't loss prevention tell you that you are not aloud to stick you had in a box. If it's open you can tape it up. IF you shake it and it sounds like it broken bring it back to the building and give it the clerk.

Opening packages and checking to see if something is broke is a good way to get accussed of stealing something that is why you don't open packages up. It's also a great way to get fired.

1. I am retired and was just relating how things were in the good old days.

2. I never went to driving school. I went straight from a few months working
as a part timer to full time delivery driver. NO schooling

3. Not that they probably weren't around but I can only remember one time in 30 years that we knew a loss prevention dude was at our center.

4. Way back then the company was more interested in providing a good service to our customers than nitpicking every friggin aspect of delivering a box.

5. The bottom line is we were working as directed. I've seen drivers chewed out because they brought back a box that they "thought" was damaged. The game back then was "get rid of every box every day".

6. I do realize "the times they are (have been since UPS went public) a changing.

sealbasher · 11-04-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by upsguy72

The idiot opened the package he should have been fired. If something was sticking out of it like he said he should have Scanned it damaged and brought it back to the building and notified a SUP not open up the box.

i would have released it and took it home lol

toonertoo · 11-04-2009, 07:41 PM

I no longer care to think what is in a box.
I know the pot, I can almost smell it. I can recognize them by the distinction of where its from and where its going, I can recognize the reused labels. And I no longer bring it to anyones attention. I know the dealers are happy and Im safe.
I really dont care about the pot. Its the harder drugs that worry me, but Im outta the area when Im home, and it has never done me any good to care.

toonertoo · 11-04-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by barney

You have got to read this... I'm just puttin' it out there...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21510576/detail.html

Yes you get a knack for it, after his 17 yrs he knew, but we are paid to deliver not think.

over9five · 11-04-2009, 09:46 PM

Yup, he was fired for thinking.

Just do your job - deliver the box.

hondo · 11-04-2009, 10:46 PM

Another news story about this:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/336074...ws-detroit_mi/

I apologize for reviving a similar, but dormant thread yesterday.

UPS98 · 11-05-2009, 04:20 AM

i would of done the same thing!!!
Something seems wierd.. report it!!!
he will get his job back.. and back pay!!!
(unless there is Something we dont know)
maybee he had a Side skeem wit the Dealers and Ups has been watching him!
and he knew he was being watched that day....so reported this 1 package because things were fishy!!!

there were some drivers i heard stories of... that were doing shady **** like that!!!(thinking they wont get caught)

BLACKBOX · 11-05-2009, 04:24 AM

Who wants to be a hero? Just deliver the package. I wonder what percentage of UPS revenue comes from people shipping illegal drugs? If they sent it once you know they've used us many times before.

Hoaxster · 11-05-2009, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by UPS98

i would of done the same thing!!!
Something seems wierd.. report it!!!
he will get his job back.. and back pay!!!
(unless there is Something we dont know)
maybee he had a Side skeem wit the Dealers and Ups has been watching him!
and he knew he was being watched that day....so reported this 1 package because things were fishy!!!

there were some drivers i heard stories of... that were doing shady **** like that!!!(thinking they wont get caught)

There is more to this story than is being told.
He grieved his termination and the Teamsters did not back him.
It is now under the purview of the Civil Legal system.
That may get him some money but not his job back as a usual course.

why1031 · 11-05-2009, 05:38 AM

Just another excuse to fire a driver.it's always the drivers fault....

over9five · 11-05-2009, 05:40 AM

I don't know Why, but welcome to Brown Cafe!

covemaster · 11-05-2009, 06:19 AM

If this guy had any commonsense and has been at UPS for 17 yrs,especially in that area ,he should of been more afraid of the ramifications & rath put on him from the drugs not being delivered to by the cons,or the shipper. I'm sure the dealers knew his dailey routine. I would of left it & then called UPS on it,which they would say "we will look into it "" then file in the who gives a ship file cabinet!!

1989 · 11-05-2009, 06:31 AM

Like johney said, there must be more to the story. I did the same thing a couple years ago. But I called a supe first. UPS is aloud to open packages, and a driver is part of UPS. But you must be careful that your integrity isn't questioned. I also think there is a diference between refusing to deliver a package and just plain not delivering a package.

dilligaf · 11-05-2009, 06:55 AM

That really sucks. 17 years and he should have known not to open the pkg.............

feederdriver06 · 11-05-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BLACKBOX

Who wants to be a hero? Just deliver the package.

ditto bigtime . . . but people just don't get it and never will

tieguy · 11-05-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by why1031

Just another excuse to fire a driver.it's always the drivers fault....

the news is only giving the drivers version since the company will not provide them with confidential details.

the case ran the grievance process and the driver lost. That could be a clue that there may be more to this story then what the news is reporting.

dannyboy · 11-05-2009, 10:23 AM

First thing, some of you all need to re-read what actually happened.

1 He delivered the package.

2 He had second thoughts, and went back and picked it up. Please note, he did not void the delivery, he just went back and snatched it.

3 He then opened it up. This is why he was fired. You are never ever as a driver allowed to open a package. Ever. The package does not belong to you.

4 It was only after he went back and picked it up and opened it that he called his sup. As far as I can tell, the package still shows delivered.

5 UPS did not fire him for not delivering the package as claimed by the headline, instead they fired him for pilferage of a package. Who knows what else was in the package? But because of his actions, he turned himself from a hero to a zero.

6 As has been falsely mentioned, the union did represent him at a hearing, at which he lost. Most likely with an arbitrator at the helm.

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A spokeswoman for Atlanta-based UPS said Mojica's firing was upheld by a grievance procedure

Had he made the phone call before he went back, the following would most likely of happened.

1 Nothing, as we know most LP guys are basically lazy, and feel drivers dont know a dang thing past running to the bank with a check that is too large. (yeah I know, they have contempt for most hourly)

2 In the event that LP actually got on the stick, they would have contacted law enforcement and would have busted the owner and sender of the package. This would give LP bragging rights, and justification for putting him in another position.

In either event, the driver would have not been the center of the story, and would still have his job.

Bottom line, he will not get his job back. Another driver does things his way, and not by the book, and gets bitten.

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helenofcalifornia · 11-05-2009, 10:33 AM

At our center, the latest kick is to deliver all packages in spite of their non-deliverable reasons (NI1, moved, NSP or NS company, etc.). So that driver, if he was in my center, would have got a message from his OMS that the package had a good address so go back and re-attempt.

I'm w/Tooner, I could care less what is in the box, just deliver it. One stop closer to home.