Injury

[theUPSman]

I've been out work on disability for 2 months now for an off the job injury. Does this time on disability count towards being employed with the company?

[Cementups]

You could always try worrying about rehabing yourself to get back to work rather than worrying how much time you can milk from the company and still count it towards you retirement.

[theUPSman]

I'm doing everything I can to get back to work. I've gone to physical therapy and have done what is needed. I have a torn labrum and my doctor told me I'll be needing surgery. I'm not "milking" the company. I'm proud to work with UPS and would not do something like that. Now...if someone can tell me without making assumptions....does my time off count with the company?

[trickpony1]

I hope you got a withdrawal card so you won't have to pay dues for the time you were off.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by theUPSman

I'm doing everything I can to get back to work. I've gone to physical therapy and have done what is needed. I have a torn labrum and my doctor told me I'll be needing surgery. I'm not "milking" the company. I'm proud to work with UPS and would not do something like that. Now...if someone can tell me without making assumptions....does my time off count with the company?

If you are full time, yes it does., but there is a caveat. After a certain amount of time on disability-( sorry I do not know the length of time)- UPS does not contibute to your pension. We have a 20+yr driver thinking he was gaming the system by being out on disabillity for various reasons. He thought he would retire after 25yrs, he had only earned 8yrs towards retirement.

[theUPSman]

I'm a preloader and I'm almost at 2 years with UPS.

[SWORDFISH]

Originally Posted by Cementups

You could always try worrying about rehabing yourself to get back to work rather than worrying how much time you can milk from the company and still count it towards you retirement.

LOL! Spoken like a true member of the management team. Funny that an injury automatically constitutes as milking from the company.

[dei8]

You Know, people like Cement(head)Ups, on this site make me so angry. He jumps down the throat of theUpsman for "milking an injury". Unless he knows personally that he is faking an injury, either answer the question or keep to yourself. I have been out with a broken foot, been to three Doctors and two different physical therapists to "speed" up my recovery, but will tell you this. I will not got back till my Doctor tell me its OK, and also I know that I will be physically able to without further injuring myself. I also was wondering about the same question theUPSman had. Sorry, that made me mad.

[JonFrum]

Check your regional Supplement under "Seniority" and "Pension" and "Health & Welfare".

In New England, for example, Seniority continues. Off-the-job injury and illness earns pension and H&W contributions for up to four weeks only. On-the-job injury, for up to 12 months only.

Long Term Disability (up to five years) for full timers kicks in after Short Term Disability (26 weeks) ends. See Article 34, Section 1, (j) of the Master Agreement.

[raceanoncr]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

If you are full time, yes it does., but there is a caveat. After a certain amount of time on disability-( sorry I do not know the length of time)- UPS does not contibute to your pension. We have a 20+yr driver thinking he was gaming the system by being out on disabillity for various reasons. He thought he would retire after 25yrs, he had only earned 8yrs towards retirement.

Found that out this year with my last new hip. Ran into complications that extended my time off to 7 1/2 months w/no contributions to pension. Was hoping to go out in next couple months to get an even 32 years (they WILL prorate but I wanted it an even number). Now have to go nuther 7 1/2 months.

[JonFrum]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

. . . We have a 20+yr driver thinking he was gaming the system by being out on disabillity for various reasons. He thought he would retire after 25yrs, he had only earned 8yrs towards retirement.

I'm finding this story hard to believe. Like Welfare Queens picking up their monthly checks in shiny new Cadillacs, and buying lobster and Caviar with Food Stamps.

A 20+ year driver just now realizes he is missing 12 years of pension credit?

Didn't the Pension Fund send him yearly statements?

Didn't he ever read the pension credit rules in the Supplement, or Summary Plan Description (SPD), or visit the pension website?

Didn't a steward or fellow worker give him a heads-up?

Didn't he ever ask anyone?

Rather, I would assume he would be an expert in such matters if he has been out on disibility off-and-on for over 12 years. (Assuming pension contributions continue for a period of time before stopping with each new disability period.)

[dannyboy]

Your talking several different issues.

Seniority goes by the date hired. Time right before christmas does not count.

So your seniority is not an issue.

What is an issue is the date of retirement or insurance coverage.

IF you dont work enough days in a period of time, UPS will not make contributions for you into retirement and insurance. You will lose coverage for insurance, and have to extend your worklife at UPS should that occur. For instance, you might get 1/2 years credit for one year, and 3/4 years credit for the next. So instead of having two years, you only have 1 1/4 years toward your retirement.

Since you are part time, you need to contact UPS for details for your specific case. Many of the posts here deal with full time issues, not part time. Also see if they have short/long term disability insurance on you.

You could always try worrying about rehabing yourself to get back to work rather than worrying how much time you can milk from the company and still count it towards you retirement.

Spoken like a true bosshole.

Sometimes rather be silent and be thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove all doubt......

d

[helenofcalifornia]

Definiteley check into the Teamsters withdrawl card-costs 50 cents and will save you the teamsters monthly dues while you are off. Also, the Teamsters give you a one-time weekly stipend for about 10 weeks. (only $10 a week out here). Our health care provider also pays a weekly check in addition to your state disability check. You have to ask about this; this is like one of those hidden "Mickey's" at Disneyland, noone will tell you unless you find it yourself.

Listen to Jon Frum, he speaks the truth.

[helenofcalifornia]

Gotta love "bosshole!"

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by dei8

You Know, people like Cement(head)Ups, on this site make me so angry. ...... Sorry, that made me mad.

That's allright, you feel better now?

[whiskey]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

That's allright, you feel better now?

We need more 747's.

[Cementups]

Originally Posted by dei8

You Know, people like Cement(head)Ups, on this site make me so angry. He jumps down the throat of theUpsman for "milking an injury". Unless he knows personally that he is faking an injury, either answer the question or keep to yourself. I have been out with a broken foot, been to three Doctors and two different physical therapists to "speed" up my recovery, but will tell you this. I will not got back till my Doctor tell me its OK, and also I know that I will be physically able to without further injuring myself. I also was wondering about the same question theUPSman had. Sorry, that made me mad.

I'm sorry you took offense to my response. I am glad that you hve honest injury and are trying to get things taken care of. Unfortunately in todays society there are a lot of people trying to get a free ride. My original response was actually meant to be tongue in cheek but that is hard to decipher thru text.

We have a driver who got "injured" oveer 2 years ago. During that 2 years he was offered a buy out twice. Right before he was going to be forced to take a buy out he was all of a sudden healthy enough to come back to work. Less than 2 weeks later....guess what?? He's injured again. That was abotu two months. Now everyday I have to read on his Facebook page about how little he does and also some of the things that he probably shouldn't be doing with the injuries he "supposedly" has. he also took the time to go to school to get his real estate liscense. So now he is collecting disability and then collecting a paycheck selling houses as well.

I know a little about false disability claims since after my fater retired from the State Police he worked a part time job video taping people who were supposed to be off injured. people with back injuries who were chopping wood or throwing around cinder blocks, amongst others stuff. Just so you know, this stuff happens. I am glad though that yours is an honest injury and I hope you get well soon.

[upsguy72]

Originally Posted by theUPSman

I've been out work on disability for 2 months now for an off the job injury. Does this time on disability count towards being employed with the company?

I hope your where a good employee when you did show up to work becasue UPS can make it just about impossible for you to come back to work depending on your injury. I know you might not think it but now to UPS you are a liability. Your going to have to go see their DR before you have a possibilty of returning to work.

Good luck

[Bad Gas!]

In the southern supplement, you need 1801 hours for a full time year of credit...I assume part-time must be around 900 hours for a full part time year credit..

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by JonFrum

I'm finding this story hard to believe. Like Welfare Queens picking up their monthly checks in shiny new Cadillacs, and buying lobster and Caviar with Food Stamps.

A 20+ year driver just now realizes he is missing 12 years of pension credit?

Didn't the Pension Fund send him yearly statements?

Didn't he ever read the pension credit rules in the Supplement, or Summary Plan Description (SPD), or visit the pension website?

Didn't a steward or fellow worker give him a heads-up?

Didn't he ever ask anyone?

Rather, I would assume he would be an expert in such matters if he has been out on disibility off-and-on for over 12 years. (Assuming pension contributions continue for a period of time before stopping with each new disability period.)

Jon,
It is not my "story", it is just my reporting of one mans stupidity.
Most of his "injuries" happened off the clock.
He had two disability policies and liked to stay at home while his wife worked.
I can not list the entire litany of this man's (cough) claims of injury.
I will just tell you of two.
He was parked in a casino parking lot, someone parked next to him and opened their door and it hit his car. He was out of work for a year and a half and won a lawsuit against the other driver for injuries suffered.
He sprained his thumb (no joke) and was off work for 8 months taking physical therapy, because he could not work the DIAD.
Trust me, the list goes on.
The Union will no longer support him, his wife left him and all the drivers despise him.
Yet, he is still employed.
BTW, he just came back to work 2 months ago after being off on "disability" for a year.
He thought he held all the cards and he did, but they were Aces and eights.
True story, Jon

[dei8]

Originally Posted by Cementups

I'm sorry you took offense to my response. I am glad that you hve honest injury and are trying to get things taken care of. Unfortunately in todays society there are a lot of people trying to get a free ride. My original response was actually meant to be tongue in cheek but that is hard to decipher thru text.

We have a driver who got "injured" oveer 2 years ago. During that 2 years he was offered a buy out twice. Right before he was going to be forced to take a buy out he was all of a sudden healthy enough to come back to work. Less than 2 weeks later....guess what?? He's injured again. That was abotu two months. Now everyday I have to read on his Facebook page about how little he does and also some of the things that he probably shouldn't be doing with the injuries he "supposedly" has. he also took the time to go to school to get his real estate liscense. So now he is collecting disability and then collecting a paycheck selling houses as well.

I know a little about false disability claims since after my fater retired from the State Police he worked a part time job video taping people who were supposed to be off injured. people with back injuries who were chopping wood or throwing around cinder blocks, amongst others stuff. Just so you know, this stuff happens. I am glad though that yours is an honest injury and I hope you get well soon.

Cementups,
Sorry I got mad and appreciate your response. Being out for a long period of time is great cause you get to spend more time with your family, but getting over $600 a week less amongst other things no so great. Plus you get this stigma like your taking advantage, but trust me your bank account takes a big hit. It makes you have to rush back even though your not %100