Transfers

[Oakmaster]

Just got a job as a PM package handler. I was wondering how easy it is to get transferred to another city in another state. I am thinking of moving to Eugene, OR and I currently reside in San Diego, CA. Is it possible to take my job with me if I move?

[big_arrow_up]

You have to wait a year to transfer. If you are new it would be easier to just quit but have HR contact the UPS near where you are moving to and maybe they can get you in there. Go to HR before you quit and tell them your intentions.

[STLFeeder]

We have always been told no transfers for hourly. If you want to move, you normally have to give up your seniority and reapply in new city.

how about drivers wanting to transfer?

[big_arrow_up]

Part-timers can transfers and full-timers can too but that is so rarely approved it might as well be a myth. There are 4 people in my building that all transfered from the same hub.

[nyymt62]

I am a student and have been working in my hub for about five months now. I am thinking about transferring to another part of the state, and assumed that because of my student status- everything would go fairly smoothly. Am I wrong in thinking this?

For part-timers they will usually transfer you if you are moving for school reasons, but usually will ask you to provide proof of enrollment in the new school. Much harder to transfer to a small rural center since there has to be a job opening there. Almost guaranteed if you are transfering to a HUB.

[pwnerer]

easiest way to transfer is to get accepted to a community college where you want to move. Then they can give you an educational transfer. community colleges accept anyone. Just get accepted then don't take classes. But I think you need 1 year in before they give you this kind of transfer.

Other than that you would have to quit and get rehired. If they think you are a great worker right now then it probably wont' be too hard to get on in a new location.

[KRAM]

I could be wrong, but I believe if you are wanting to transfer within your district it is pretty much a done deal and no problems, just need to have a job opening there. Example would be I work in the Kansas District and can tranfer within it with no problems. If I want to transfer out of my district it has to be approved which like someone else said is so rare it could be a myth, but they want a very good reason to transfer you like say a spouse got transfered at thier job and a move is a must for you. For part-timers going to school and changing schools might be a good reason to allow the transfer. It may all be based on how much of a brown noser you are.

[STLFeeder]

I am not sure about all this, but this medicine make all the word pop out to me. Kind of like a 3d picture shuw,..

[trickpony1]

Originally Posted by STLFeeder

I am not sure about all this, but this medicine make all the word pop out to me. Kind of like a 3d picture shuw,..

If you truly are a feeder driver, I would be careful to whom you say things like that.

[westsideworma]

Originally Posted by KRAM

I could be wrong, but I believe if you are wanting to transfer within your district it is pretty much a done deal and no problems, just need to have a job opening there. Example would be I work in the Kansas District and can tranfer within it with no problems. If I want to transfer out of my district it has to be approved which like someone else said is so rare it could be a myth, but they want a very good reason to transfer you like say a spouse got transfered at thier job and a move is a must for you. For part-timers going to school and changing schools might be a good reason to allow the transfer. It may all be based on how much of a brown noser you are.

Yeah people seem to move back and forth between centers and hubs a lot in our district. Mostly hub workers though, I've yet to see that happen for drivers (which is understandable).

[guzzi71]

FED-EX seems to have no problem with it.............

[big_arrow_up]

My transfer was a headache but only because my full-time sup was a #*tch and made it as difficult as possible for me. Here is how things should work.....write a letter stating you want to transfer from such and such hub to such and such hub....give it and a copy of your acceptance letter to HR....wait for approval.....done. And someone was write when they said transferring to a small center was difficult. Turnover at those is next to nothing. In my center we once went a full year without anyone quiting. In the hubs they'll sometimes lose 10-20 people in as little as a week.

[breadbooze]

I've been told there would be no problems transferring, this coming from my center manager who knows I'm engaged and wont be sticking around after getting married. The transfer goes through once I put in a request and there's an opening at the hub/center I'd be transferring to. Building seniority would be lost though my original hire date remains the same. we'll see how this goes after september of next year.

[RockyRogue]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

My transfer was a headache but only because my full-time sup was a #*tch and made it as difficult as possible for me. Here is how things should work.....write a letter stating you want to transfer from such and such hub to such and such hub....give it and a copy of your acceptance letter to HR....wait for approval.....done. And someone was write when they said transferring to a small center was difficult. Turnover at those is next to nothing. In my center we once went a full year without anyone quiting. In the hubs they'll sometimes lose 10-20 people in as little as a week.

Kinda old but I thought relevant. I transferred schools and requested a transfer. My full-timer was behind it, several full-timers I mentioned it to said they'd give a good word if approached, hell even the SORT manager was behind it. I requested the transfer in September and in October, the sort manager comes up and says, "I wish there was something I could say or do to talk ya outta leaving the Company." He said it two more times: in November and December of 2004. Peak ends and I start really pushing for a go or no go. Finally, my LAST night, the HR man says, "I don't think this is gonna happen, buddy." I was declared a clear. I went and found the Sort manager and told him my status, as he'd requested I do earlier that evening. He shook his head, and said, once again, "What can I say, what can I do to talk ya outt leavin the Company? C'mon, man. One thing." I looked at the man, smiled and said, "X, you can shake my hand and wish me good luck." He grasped my proffered hand and said, "Good luck and God-bless, my brother." I decided to take a week off before departure for school and I kept calling HR, waiting for the official no-go. Finally, on Wednesday, I told the HR guy, "Look, buddy. I'm leaving on Friday for school. This MUST be settled by then!" He said, "All right. I understand. Call me around 3:30 tomorrow and I'll have a definite answer for you. OK?" I agreed. I called him the next day and he was ON the phone with the person in the new district. He called back about fifteen minutes later and says, "Man, I am very, very, very, very sorry. We just can't make this happen."

[big_arrow_up]

Transfers are ultimately decided by the head of HR and your immediate full-time supervisor. They have to approve it. Unless you are just a total loser (excessive call ins, lazy, etc.,) then they should approve it. The only thing that should stop a transfer is if there isn't an opening at the building you wish to transfer to. If someone is transfering to a hub, which usually has a high turnover rate, then they should have no trouble.

[RockyRogue]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

Transfers are ultimately decided by the head of HR and your immediate full-time supervisor. They have to approve it. Unless you are just a total loser (excessive call ins, lazy, etc.,) then they should approve it. The only thing that should stop a transfer is if there isn't an opening at the building you wish to transfer to. If someone is transfering to a hub, which usually has a high turnover rate, then they should have no trouble.

That was my problem, big arrow. I was trying to transfer from one of the largest hubs in the U.S. (Addison, IL) to a center in the middle of nowhere. I was given a choice two weeks before Christmas 2004: my career or my education. I chose my education. Strange as it may see to some, given the opportunity to do it over, I'd do the same thing--in a heartbeat.

From the National Master UPS Agreement, available (as Fate would have it) right here on BrownCafe . . .
http://www.browncafe.com/ups_nationa...eement.html#22.
"ARTICLE 22. PART-TIME EMPLOYEES
Section 6 - Part-time Employee Transfer

Part-time employees who wish to transfer to another location for educational purposes may submit a written request to the Employer. If approved, the transfer shall be allowed subject to the following conditions:

A. A part-time opening exists at the desired location.

B. Employees must have attained seniority and been employed by the Employer for at least one (1) year.

C. Job Classification Seniority shall be end-tailed.

D. Company seniority shall be retained for the purpose of number of weeks of vacation, and number of holidays in accordance with the applicable Supplement at the new location.

E. Any expenses, including moving expenses associated with an approved transfer, shall be the responsibility of the employee."

[RockyRogue]

Originally Posted by JonFrum

From the National Master UPS Agreement, available (as Fate would have it) right here on BrownCafe . . .
http://www.browncafe.com/ups_nationa...eement.html#22.
"ARTICLE 22. PART-TIME EMPLOYEES
Section 6 - Part-time Employee Transfer

Part-time employees who wish to transfer to another location for educational purposes may submit a written request to the Employer. If approved, the transfer shall be allowed subject to the following conditions:

A. A part-time opening exists at the desired location.

B. Employees must have attained seniority and been employed by the Employer for at least one (1) year.

C. Job Classification Seniority shall be end-tailed.

D. Company seniority shall be retained for the purpose of number of weeks of vacation, and number of holidays in accordance with the applicable Supplement at the new location.

E. Any expenses, including moving expenses associated with an approved transfer, shall be the responsibility of the employee."

There's a sheet to be filled out when you submit the request. I remember it quoted a given section of the contract and the above conditions. This was my 4th Peak in one form or another. Its an experience.

[big_arrow_up]

The contract has a generic/basic version of what is required for a transfer. What it doesn't cover is that they (HR) can ask for a copy of an acceptance letter from the school if they want. They can ask for a copy of your class schedule. It really depends on the head of HR for that region/district. Mine just required a copy of the acceptance letter and a hand written letter from me stating that I wanted to transfer. My full-time sup tried to add their own additional requirements, such as a copy of my class schedule, and tried to delay, and later stop, me from transferring.I told the HR rep and they were pretty pissed. Lets just say the full-time sup never interfered after that. My full-time sup knew I didn't plan on going to school immediately. A new semester was about to start but I was aiming to start schoo the following semester. The head of HR totally understood that but the full-time sup in the hub wasn't cool with it. They just didn't want to lose another employee. As far as there being an opening at the small center I wanted to move to....I got real lucky. There just happened to be an opening on preload AND reload. I chose reload.

[RockyRogue]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

The contract has a generic/basic version of what is required for a transfer. What it doesn't cover is that they (HR) can ask for a copy of an acceptance letter from the school if they want. They can ask for a copy of your class schedule. It really depends on the head of HR for that region/district. Mine just required a copy of the acceptance letter and a hand written letter from me stating that I wanted to transfer. My full-time sup tried to add their own additional requirements, such as a copy of my class schedule, and tried to delay, and later stop, me from transferring.I told the HR rep and they were pretty pissed. Lets just say the full-time sup never interfered after that. My full-time sup knew I didn't plan on going to school immediately. A new semester was about to start but I was aiming to start schoo the following semester. The head of HR totally understood that but the full-time sup in the hub wasn't cool with it. They just didn't want to lose another employee. As far as there being an opening at the small center I wanted to move to....I got real lucky. There just happened to be an opening on preload AND reload. I chose reload.

Lucky for you, Big Arrow. I had a decent HR rep but I think the ball was dropped a few times between the time I requested it and the time it was ultimately denied. I was told to bring a copy of my acceptance letter along with a signed letter stating I desired a transfer. As it got closer to when I wanted to transfer, they asked for a copy of my class schedule, too. As to transferring to that small center...this small center was in the cornfields of Illinois, turnover was practically ZERO AND it was just after Peak. WORST possible time to try transferring. When I was accepted to that school, I was in the "promotion ready" pool. A few people suggested I keep my name in the pool because I'd probably get the transfer. I refused to possibly lose my re-hire status and pulled my name from the pool. My full-time was surprised and the retention manager in charge of the pool was shocked when I handed in a letter removing my name from the pool. Later, I heard of people transferring to that small center from St. Louis, etc. Like I said in a previous post, if I had to do it all over again, I'd do it the same way.

[big_arrow_up]

I don't agree with the policy of asking for a class schedule. People aren't always planning to start school immediately after transferring. Some people just want to start the process well in advance (like I did) to avoid worrying about there being an opening at the other location and because it's better to have everything completed before starting school. That way when school does start it will be a smooth transition without having to worry about the job situation. In the hubs HR and the sups tend to use the tactic of asking for a class schedule because it can be a potential road block for people trying to transfer. It is because hubs have high turnovers and will try anything to retain their employees. On the flipside...if you ask to transfer out of a small "extended center" and into a hub you will have no trouble. The sups in that small center know they can replace you very easily and will let you go with no problems. Most small centers don't even have their own HR. The HR department at the hub usually handles hiring for the surrounding centers. I bet that someone transferring out of a small center to a hub would probably not be asked to present a class schedule. Why would they when they already have trouble keeping people to stay at the hub already? A transfer is a juicy target for HR. Experienced, already trained, and can just walk in and go straight to work.

I have worked for UPS for 20 years and here is my transfer story. We got the right to transfer anywhere in our supplement in 2002 after the contract was settled. So
I put in for a transfer in 2002 for a small building. Last feb. I was called by the HR dept about an opening,I said I would take it. They called back and said it was a mistake. So I did some research, the manager of the building said I am not going to hire anyone and if I do I only need a temporary person because of a lady being on maternity leave and would only be a part time position. Later this year I found out that the guy had been working full time the last 6 months. The lady extended her leave and they went out of there way to find work for him. So when I brought this info to my BA he said that's not right that guy never should have gained seniority,and he filed a grievance on my behalf. So I go meet with him and the labor lady and they offered me the position with an earlier seniority date than the guy that was hired. This sounded great to me so I agreed to take it. This was on a thursday and they(UPS labor rep) said they would have an answer the following wednesday. The following thursday I was told to report to work at the new location the following monday. Twice I was asked are you sure this is what you want? You know you might face some layoff time,it's a small building. If you don't take the job he will get the next opening up there and then you're screwed. All these questions and not a lot of time to answer. But I said yes I want to go there. Well when I got there they said there was nothing for me which I didn't think was a big deal since everything happened over a weekend. So the next day they said the same thing. So I asked when will I work and the manager said maybe april or may and then you will be on call only. This happened the week of Thanksgiving,peak season for crying out loud. So when I contacted my business agent and the labor rep they both got defensive and said "Oh that's what you wanted your stuck there now,You won the grievance". To complicate things even more when I called the local there,they say I am not a member til I work at least 1 day in there jurisdiction. So now I am really stressed out and am getting no help from either side. The manager even told me I hope you have a big bank account because you're not going to get steady work for a long time. So how can a company let you transfer into a layoff position? The moral of the story so far is be careful what you ask for You just might get it.