10hr days 4 days a week? - Brown Cafe

FreightKicker · 03-17-2009, 08:48 PM

Any one know of or has a terminal doing 10hr days, 4 days a week with no overtime after 8hrs. That is what my terminal is doing. The overtime I get is after 10hrs! Thought the contract states 5 days a week , overtime after 8.

bill102 · 03-18-2009, 12:23 AM

These runs are common in small package feeders. The extra day off is what is the incentive. Most drivers seem to love 4x10s.

Hoaxster · 03-18-2009, 04:00 AM

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Any one know of or has a terminal doing 10hr days, 4 days a week with no overtime after 8hrs. That is what my terminal is doing. The overtime I get is after 10hrs! Thought the contract states 5 days a week , overtime after 8.

In small package UPS, when you bid on a 4-10 run it works exactly as you stated.

screamin chicken · 03-18-2009, 04:18 AM

I use to pre-load and drive all day then by Fridays I had run out of hours and they would let me go home, it was nice until they caught on and then they would let me go home on a monday or tuesday and I had to work fridays, that is when I stopped working preload and just went on my route.

bobs barricade tester · 03-18-2009, 01:18 PM

no terminals are currently doing it, it is a violation of the contract,

Article 18
Workday and Workweek

Section 3. Overtime

All hours worked in excess of eight (8) hours in any one (1) day or forty (40) hours in any one (1) week shall be paid at the rate of time and one-half (1 1/2) the regular hourly rate, but not both. Overtime shall not be pyramided. Pay for hours not worked shall not count toward the forty (40) hour threshold.
All hours worked on Sundays or holidays or on the seventh (7th) consecutive day or in excess of ten (10) hours per day shall not apply against the guarantee but must be paid in addition to the guarantee.

The national arbitration hearing is the end of this month and this issue has been grieved and deadlocked the arbitrator will deceide on it.

The company want 4x10's with no overtime until 10 hours on duty.

I don't understand how it made it as far as it did it is clearly a contract violation. OTY after 8.

UpstateNYUPSer · 03-18-2009, 02:35 PM

Did you even read the material that you added to your post?

It clearly states that OT does not start until you have either worked 8 hours in a day or 40 hours in a week so, if you work 4-10s, you would not get overtime until your 4th day.

For example, you work 10 1/2, 11, and 10 1/2 hours for the first 3 days (32 hours) which means you will start to accrue OT after working 8 hours on your 4th day.

Seems pretty simple to me.

hdkappler · 03-18-2009, 03:22 PM

i think they should do this with package car drivers to.even if someone would have to cover the 5th day.if i was still driving i would of loved to work 4 day weeks.i would of even liked to load my own truck.then i would of known were everything is.

bobs barricade tester · 03-19-2009, 04:20 AM

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Did you even read the material that you added to your post?

It clearly states that OT does not start until you have either worked 8 hours in a day or 40 hours in a week so, if you work 4-10s, you would not get overtime until your 4th day.

For example, you work 10 1/2, 11, and 10 1/2 hours for the first 3 days (32 hours) which means you will start to accrue OT after working 8 hours on your 4th day.

Seems pretty simple to me.

you obviously don't work for ups freight? Contract cleary states ot is any hours worked over 8 in one day the 40 part comes into play when you work 6 days in a week and only work 7-8 hours a day. 7 hours a day for 6 days = 2 hours of ot.
In your scenario 10 1/2, 11 and 10 1/2 means you will have 32 regular hours and 8 ot hours regardless of how many hours you work the next 2 days even if he calls in sick or takes unpaid time off he would still get 32 regular hours and 8 ot hours this is and has always been the way it works.

The "material" I added is cut and paste from our contract even the labor managers understand how the ot works there is no misunderstanding there it has always worked like that.

UpstateNYUPSer · 03-19-2009, 02:42 PM

8 hours per day or 40 hours per week

I am pkg car but that doesn't matter. I am simply reading what you posted and it clearly supports the 4 10s scenario w/no OT until 40 hours.

Ryan1984 · 03-19-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

Did you even read the material that you added to your post?

It clearly states that OT does not start until you have either worked 8 hours in a day or 40 hours in a week so, if you work 4-10s, you would not get overtime until your 4th day.

For example, you work 10 1/2, 11, and 10 1/2 hours for the first 3 days (32 hours) which means you will start to accrue OT after working 8 hours on your 4th day.

Seems pretty simple to me.

EITHER 8 hours in a day OR 40 hours in a week; Not 8 hours in a day AND 40 hours in a week.

Once you pass 8 hours in any given day, you're on overtime in package.

Freight is different, overtime is after 10.

UpstateNYUPSer · 03-19-2009, 05:28 PM

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EITHER 8 hours in a day OR 40 hours in a week; Not 8 hours in a day AND 40 hours in a week.

Once you pass 8 hours in any given day, you're on overtime in package.

Freight is different, overtime is after 10.

How is that different from what I posted?!

Ryan1984 · 03-19-2009, 05:36 PM

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How is that different from what I posted?!

Just saying you do not have to work 40 hours in a week to get overtime

UpstateNYUPSer · 03-19-2009, 05:46 PM

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Just saying you do not have to work 40 hours in a week to get overtime

For the purposes of this thread you do. The OP was talking about 4 10s and was upset that he wasn't get OT after 8 but instead had to work 40 before getting OT.

I am fully aware that I get OT after 8 hours. That is not the point of this thread.

Ryan1984 · 03-19-2009, 06:37 PM

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For the purposes of this thread you do. The OP was talking about 4 10s and was upset that he wasn't get OT after 8 but instead had to work 40 before getting OT.

I am fully aware that I get OT after 8 hours. That is not the point of this thread.

Right, the point of this thread is for 4 10's. The point I'm making, is that if he works over 10 in one day, he gets overtime for that time after 10 hours, regardless if he works 40 hours a week. If he worked 10 1/2 hours Monday and only 9 hours the other 3 days, he would still get 1/2 hour of overtime.

bill102 · 03-19-2009, 08:26 PM

In Metro Philly, 4x10's get OT after the tenth hour each day. (ex M-10.5, T-10.5, W-10.5, H-10.5 = 2 hrs OT)

bobs barricade tester · 03-20-2009, 04:57 AM

If you work 10 hours in a day, 2 of those hours are counted as ot, it does not matter how many hours in a week you work if you only work 1 day you will get 8 regular hours and 2 ot hours, Our contract also says the standard guaranteed work week is 5 days.

If your terminal puts you on 4 x 10's and you don't get ot until after 10, file a grievance don't let management tell you how there gonna interpret the contract. I do not know of a single terminal that does not get ot after 8.

I checked the parcel contract, suppliments and riders and most of them say overtime will not start until you have worked 40 hours others say if your bid is a 4 x 10 ot does not start until after 10 hours on duty.

Our contract is completely different.

City Driver · 03-22-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

Did you even read the material that you added to your post?

It clearly states that OT does not start until you have either worked 8 hours in a day or 40 hours in a week so, if you work 4-10s, you would not get overtime until your 4th day.

For example, you work 10 1/2, 11, and 10 1/2 hours for the first 3 days (32 hours) which means you will start to accrue OT after working 8 hours on your 4th day.

Seems pretty simple to me.

the problem with that is that what if your 4th day you had to take an unpaid day off, your pay check will be for 32 hours of straight time instead of 24 hours of straight time and 8 hours of OT

UpstateNYUPSer · 03-22-2009, 01:41 PM

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the problem with that is that what if your 4th day you had to take an unpaid day off, your pay check will be for 32 hours of straight time instead of 24 hours of straight time and 8 hours of OT

That is one of the cons of a 4-10s schedule.

speeddemon · 03-24-2009, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

Did you even read the material that you added to your post?

It clearly states that OT does not start until you have either worked 8 hours in a day or 40 hours in a week so, if you work 4-10s, you would not get overtime until your 4th day.

For example, you work 10 1/2, 11, and 10 1/2 hours for the first 3 days (32 hours) which means you will start to accrue OT after working 8 hours on your 4th day.

Seems pretty simple to me.

I worked 3 days last week and had 8 hours overtime I got paid for.

UpstateNYUPSer · 03-24-2009, 02:44 PM

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I worked 3 days last week and had 8 hours overtime I got paid for.

Pkg car or freight?

daveg · 03-29-2009, 07:55 AM

BBT is correct in his explanation of the contract for freight. this makes a big difference if you have a holiday or take a day off during your regular work week.before you had to hit the minimum total hours in a week before O/T kicked in,period.i believe we were down to 42 hours per week before the contract? anyway it is now after 8 for F/T employees regardless of total days worked.i'll use thanksgiving as an example.if you work 9.5 on monday,8.0 on tuesday and 10.25 wednesday you will be payed 24 hours straight time, 3.75 hours O/T and 2 days holiday at 8 per.4X10 is a voluntary schedule as i've been led to believe and not mandatory per my steward[my wife] who is also an employee/driver and has seniority on my butt.we were overnite originally.i would like to thank ups at this time for the great raincoat and the killer new route trailer they bought me.love that liftgate.all other changes not so much.

sppollock · 05-01-2009, 10:57 PM

We have been on the 4 ten hour shifts for over a year. We filed on this the first week after we went union. We have been waiting for the National Greivance panel to give us a decision, this seems to still be deadlocked there.

We were just told this evening that we are going back to 5 day work weeks partly because we have been filing greivances every week because we have been forced to work on our day off. We tell them we will stop filling if they just give us want the contract says, 5 work days, Monday thru Friday or Tuesday thru Sat.

bobs barricade tester · 05-05-2009, 01:09 PM

were they paying you OT after 8 spollock?

sppollock · 05-05-2009, 10:16 PM

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were they paying you OT after 8 spollock?

No. We are trying to get back pay, but we dont know if that will happen.

bobs barricade tester · 05-10-2009, 03:06 PM

The ruling just came out this week, if your terminal had 4-10's before ratification then the company can keep them without paying ot until the 10th hour.

But if your terminal did not have the 4-10 schedule before the ratification then it is up to the employees if they want the 4-10 schedule. It has to be agreed upon locally.