UPS Freight targeted by Teamsters

[Buckethead]

Originally Posted by tieguy

with 12 percent 401 k match you have a gift. dont ever give it up to join the teamsters.

Its 50% match up to 7% not 12%.

[Buckethead]

Originally Posted by trucker06

hey is there any ups freight people out there that feel that we need the union in order to stop the brainwashing that overnite has done for the longest time???:confused1

Have they been brainwashing you guys at Overnite?

[Dutch Dawg]

Originally Posted by undercoversupe

..... Not all of Management is bad at UPS. Most are, but a few really try to make a difference. Really, for you long timers, how is it today compared to 15 years ago?

UPS management on all levels that I'm exposed to appear today to have less empowerment and from them I sense a greater degree of apathy and hopelessness with regard to making changes for the better at their level.

Unfortunately the heirachary within UPS management as it appears to me looking on appears to have a high degree of intolerance for error from subordinates. There's nothing wrong with high expectations in a chain of command. However, sometimes I sense supervisors are so busy looking over their shoulder to avoid the wrath that they're left with little energy to contribute to the workplace and the company as a whole.

[over9five]

Nice post, Dutch. Agree 100%.

[ozzey]

the teamsters will organize overnight . thy kingdom come thy will be done.....:confused1

[mittam]

OVERNITE DRIVERS SEE apwa.com DONT GO WITH THE teamsters, YOU GUYS DO NOT WANT THIS LACK OF REPRESENTATION CORRUPTION, THE LIES THEY SPREAD, OR THE BACK STABBING THEY DO THE BROKEN PROMISES, YOU ALL KEPT THEM OUT BEFORE DO IT AGAIN BEST OF LUCK HOPE YOU ALL VOTE APWA

[Buckethead]

Originally Posted by mittam

OVERNITE DRIVERS SEE apwa.com DONT GO WITH THE teamsters, YOU GUYS DO NOT WANT THIS LACK OF REPRESENTATION CORRUPTION, THE LIES THEY SPREAD, OR THE BACK STABBING THEY DO THE BROKEN PROMISES, YOU ALL KEPT THEM OUT BEFORE DO IT AGAIN BEST OF LUCK HOPE YOU ALL VOTE APWA

No thank's, I already have a paved driveway. check the link.

[705red]

Yes 401k is great at overnight! Whats your hourly rate? hows the medical benefits?Hows all the technology treating you? you will need the teamsters!

[mittam]

noone needs the teamsters they need everyone they can get stay away from the evils of the corrupt teamsters union

[705red]

As a fellow teamster i can honestly say we had some of the same problems i have read about on this site in chicago! We voted them out and its alot better in 2, 2and half years later. Sups not workig as much grievances winning 9.5 double pay im proud 2 be a teamster once again!!!!!!!!!

[705red]

Originally Posted by mittam

noone needs the teamsters they need everyone they can get stay away from the evils of the corrupt teamsters union

Then vote out your local union and or hoffa, and lets see if theys a change? We didnt have alot of these problems with ron carey remember the good old days?

[3brownstars]

What was Mr. Carey's federal indictment again?

We didnt have alot of these problems with ron carey remember the good old days?

Ron Carey good old days? Please tell me this was a typo. If he was going down he was going to portray himself as some type of hero and take UPS with him. Everyone still gets paid with a check that says UPS dont they? He invented the strike for one and only one reason...and if you think its because "part time america wont work" you need to pick up your phone because bigfoot is calling to sell you some swamp land in florida, home of the loch ness monster, thrown in with no extra charge

[mittam]

Originally Posted by Thebrowntruth

Ron Carey good old days? Please tell me this was a typo. If he was going down he was going to portray himself as some type of hero and take UPS with him. Everyone still gets paid with a check that says UPS dont they? He invented the strike for one and only one reason...and if you think its because "part time america wont work" you need to pick up your phone because bigfoot is calling to sell you some swamp land in florida, home of the loch ness monster, thrown in with no extra charge

what is your opinion of why Carey led us out on strike? Was it the pension deal or his last stand against UPS because he knew he was going down or both ? Or do you have another reason,just curious heard a lot of different opinions?

[18wheelbrownie]

read ron's interview

http://labornotes.org/archives/2006/03/articles/i.shtml

[southerngrits]

Originally Posted by mittam

OVERNITE DRIVERS SEE apwa.com DONT GO WITH THE teamsters, YOU GUYS DO NOT WANT THIS LACK OF REPRESENTATION CORRUPTION, THE LIES THEY SPREAD, OR THE BACK STABBING THEY DO THE BROKEN PROMISES, YOU ALL KEPT THEM OUT BEFORE DO IT AGAIN BEST OF LUCK HOPE YOU ALL VOTE APWA

I vote APWA

Well as it has come out the Teamsters do want the UPS Freight Name. This is America and Freedom of Choice is every persons right!But read the fine print on your raises 50cents or 1.25 cent a mile. Well some of you people may think I have it good at UPS Freight because SENIORITY IS NOT AN ISSUE! AND THE FACT THAT THEY CAN BRING IN ROAD ROCKETS TO DO P&D WORK IS A DISCRIMINATORY ACT BY YOUR FEARLESS LEADERS.THE BENEFITS ARE A JOKE,SO SOME OF THESE POSTINGS ARE PROBABLY FROM THESE NEW HIRES OR SHORT TIMERS WHO GET WHAT THEY WANT.BUT ALOT OF US HARDLINER OLD TIMERS WHO NEVER WANTED THE UNION BEFORE NOW WANT IT BECAUSE OF THE GARBAGE THAT GOES ON AT THE UPS FREIGHT COMPANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SouthernCross]

Wel Old Timer, I am a 28+ employee of UPS Freight, (formerly known as Overnite), and I do not want anything to do with the I B T. Especially if they will be handling pension money for me.... Should there be a union for me to consider, I suppose I will look more into the APWA. Some folks seem to foreget that Jim Hoffa Sr. started the Teamsters with just 2 people...As for being part of "Buster" now, well it will be good for all that really want to make it a great place to work...I know some will be unhappy with "Buster" and they will swear up and down that the IBT will provide them with all their wishes and needs, as for me, well, I know better.

Hey Keep 'em between the ditches.

[Teamster251]

Originally Posted by SouthernCross

Wel Old Timer, I am a 28+ employee of UPS Freight, (formerly known as Overnite), and I do not want anything to do with the I B T. Especially if they will be handling pension money for me.... Should there be a union for me to consider, I suppose I will look more into the APWA. Some folks seem to foreget that Jim Hoffa Sr. started the Teamsters with just 2 people...As for being part of "Buster" now, well it will be good for all that really want to make it a great place to work...I know some will be unhappy with "Buster" and they will swear up and down that the IBT will provide them with all their wishes and needs, as for me, well, I know better.

Hey Keep 'em between the ditches.

Hoffa Sr started the union with 2 people?
I think you need to review your history of the IBT.
The IBT was established in 1903, Hoffa wasn't even born.

If your so concerned about the union pension why does the APWA's pension attract you? Is being union to you mean anything but the pension?

The only way APWA pension is going to do you any good is first they have to have one (pension that is) and second the scenario they are promisng is based on thirty years in that pension. You got another thirty years to give?

[any122]

Originally Posted by Teamster251

Hoffa Sr started the union with 2 people?
I think you need to review your history of the IBT.
The IBT was established in 1903, Hoffa wasn't even born.

If your so concerned about the union pension why does the APWA's pension attract you? Is being union to you mean anything but the pension?

The only way APWA pension is going to do you any good is first they have to have one (pension that is) and second the scenario they are promisng is based on thirty years in that pension. You got another thirty years to give?

Teamster251 You our so thick headed like most from your state.Thats easy to see considering people from your neck of woods vote the same stupid ,drunk ,idiot senators into office over and over again.As a matter of fact some probably voted in the teamster election like you people vote in Mass.Second we on the freight side do have a pension which from what I read is in better shape and better funded then yours.You need to wake up fool and fix the broken mess that is running your pension and union in the ground.You voice your stupid opinion like the reamsters our the only reason why the whole trucking industry gets the wages it does.You seem to forget who your talking to we have been around along time with out any help from the corrupt thug teamsters and will be around alot longer now that UPS owns us.But you can goto the bank with this. We can proudly say we our here because of the people that work here not because of the teamsters.So you stay with that broken so called union and we be members of the APWA the union that will be properly run by the employees of UPS.

[BigUnionGuy]

any122,

I have to laugh.... you are here still trying to "pimp" the APWA.

Let's face the FACTS:

The APWA exists in the form of a post office box.

The APWA is made up of 2 (two) feeder drivers.

The APWA is NOT a Union.

The 2 (two) self appointed leaders have never held office in their local, paid dues, or even been Union Stewards.

They have never represented ANYONE!



If you don't have the intestinal fortitude to be a Teamster....

Then go away.... Quit whining....


-Bug-

[tae111]

UPS Feeder drivers in our area make an excess of $28. per hour. We also get paid overtime after 8 hours. I was just talking with a UPS/freight driver and he told me he makes less than $21. per hour and doesn't get overtime until he works 43 hours. UPS just offered a .50 raise and is proposing overtime after 42 hours. He also said he contributes for his healthcare and there is no seniority for jobs or overtime. Take the Teamsters and there pension. Put the extra $8. bucks an hour in the 401K. The Teamsters are far from perfect but if you think you will be better off without them.Think again !! I have been a UPS full time Teamster for 30 years. All the benifits we recieve were barganed for by the teamsters. If you think the company will say "Hey lets bring UPS/Freight drivers pay up to Feeder driver pay. And lets give them protection against management harassment. and maybe a grievance procedure. and while we are at it lets give them time and a half for 6th day work and double time for Sunday" You have another thing comming. Also how is your vacation time. I get 7 weeks paid a year.

[tae111]

About the Teamster pensions, Yes the UPS/Teamster central states multi employer plans are having major problems right now in large part due to many of the other companys in the plan filing bankruptsies.Also new pension laws are forcing the pensions to be %100 funded in 7 years. Not all Teamster pensions are in the same boat though. Here in the northeast some of the plans are pretty good. Ours is at $3700. per mo. after 30 years. I know of one Teamsters master freight pension in our area that is paying over $5000. a month also one UPS one in upstate NY that is over $5000. I wonder if UPS will offer UPS/Freight workers anything close to that without union representation.

Originally Posted by tae111

. . . I was just talking with a UPS/freight driver and he told me he makes less than $21. per hour and doesn't get overtime until he works 43 hours. UPS just offered a .50 raise and is proposing overtime after 42 hours . . .

Isn't a company required by Federal (and possibly State) Law to pay time-and-one-half (overtime pay) for all hours worked over 40 in a pay week, regardless of weather there is a labor union contract in place?
See . . . U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Wages - Overtime Pay

[helloitsme]

Originally Posted by tae111

UPS Feeder drivers in our area make an excess of $28. per hour. We also get paid overtime after 8 hours. I was just talking with a UPS/freight driver and he told me he makes less than $21. per hour and doesn't get overtime until he works 43 hours. UPS just offered a .50 raise and is proposing overtime after 42 hours. He also said he contributes for his healthcare and there is no seniority for jobs or overtime. Take the Teamsters and there pension. Put the extra $8. bucks an hour in the 401K. The Teamsters are far from perfect but if you think you will be better off without them.Think again !! I have been a UPS full time Teamster for 30 years. All the benifits we recieve were barganed for by the teamsters. If you think the company will say "Hey lets bring UPS/Freight drivers pay up to Feeder driver pay. And lets give them protection against management harassment. and maybe a grievance procedure. and while we are at it lets give them time and a half for 6th day work and double time for Sunday" You have another thing comming. Also how is your vacation time. I get 7 weeks paid a year.

TAE...the driver you talked to is not up to top pay yet..that also means he is a short-timer and therefore does not have enough seniority to get a decent start time. At UPSF it goes by CLASSIFICATION SENIORITY . Let me give an example. Say you started out on the dock without a CDL. You obtained your CDL and now you want to be a big time trucker. You see a posting for a peddle driver position at your location and of all the folks in your location that applied for that spot,you have the most seniority. You win the spot. You are now at the bottom of the Peddle board. You work your way up the peddle board for a few years and you decide that you want to be a billy big rigger. Same process. You start over on the road board. Your Company seniority gives you priority for vacations,days off, and if there is a layoff....that also goes by company seniority.

I had to work my way up the ladder and so should the young punks too ! I have talked to feeder drivers from different yards and they say seniority practices vary from yard to yard on the Parcel Side.

As far as the freight guys being paid what the parcel guys do....that is a laugh and will never happen. The profit margin in freight is a lot less than the parcel side,and would just not be realistic. I do think we deserve to be paid more than what we are. Mostly I think our medical should be 100% paid for by the company. It's freaking exspensive ! It was very reasonable before UPS bought us....which I don't understand.