UPS Freight targeted by Teamsters

[UPS Freight Relocator]

Originally Posted by brett636

Comparing apples to oranges. What single part of fedex is currently organized by the teamsters? None.

I did speak with one driver for overnight and his opinion is the teamsters will be voted in at UPS freight. Only time will tell though.

This is strange ,every driver I spoke with said NO Teamsters HERE, but if forced to have one , it would only be APWA, anything but the TEAMSTERS, They will not join the Chicken S""ts that ,SHOT AT THEM, CURSED THEM AND THERE FAMILYS, and said they would shut Overnite down,ETC. ETC. ETC. Now tell us you really think UPS Freight will let Teamsters in. IT'S NOT GOING TO happen. Sorry

[littlebrother]

Originally Posted by UPS Freight Relocator

This is strange ,every driver I spoke with said NO Teamsters HERE, but if forced to have one , it would only be APWA, anything but the TEAMSTERS, They will not join the Chicken S""ts that ,SHOT AT THEM, CURSED THEM AND THERE FAMILYS, and said they would shut Overnite down,ETC. ETC. ETC. Now tell us you really think UPS Freight will let Teamsters in. IT'S NOT GOING TO happen. Sorry

Where are you from? You must not be from the western US.

[local776]

Originally Posted by UPS Freight Relocator

This is strange ,every driver I spoke with said NO Teamsters HERE, but if forced to have one , it would only be APWA, anything but the TEAMSTERS, They will not join the Chicken S""ts that ,SHOT AT THEM, CURSED THEM AND THERE FAMILYS, and said they would shut Overnite down,ETC. ETC. ETC. Now tell us you really think UPS Freight will let Teamsters in. IT'S NOT GOING TO happen. Sorry

dont bet on that --when your lips flap only hot air is expelled.

[Ironshot]

Originally Posted by UPS Freight Relocator

This is strange ,every driver I spoke with said NO Teamsters HERE, but if forced to have one , it would only be APWA, anything but the TEAMSTERS, They will not join the Chicken S""ts that ,SHOT AT THEM, CURSED THEM AND THERE FAMILYS, and said they would shut Overnite down,ETC. ETC. ETC. Now tell us you really think UPS Freight will let Teamsters in. IT'S NOT GOING TO happen. Sorry

Relocator, local doesn't want to Hear, Speak or See no evil's the suck a*% Teamsters have or do on a regular basis. We will not forget the vile crap hurled at us by the TEAMSTERS. Just like on this board, you disagree and you're trashed in every way humanly possible. The "Overnite" group will vote the APWA in just to spite them IBT fools. By the way Local is this your second or third job on the members dime?

No apwa at my terminal! I'd rather remain non-union!

[Ironshot]

This is the Teamster way...
TEAMSTERS (IBT)
Houston Boss Convicted for Fixing Election, Taking Kickback
When it comes to securing a conviction, small details often matter most. And federal prosecutors had some small powerful ones in their case against Charles “Chuck” Crawley, former president of Teamsters Local 988 in Houston. Crawley, 56, headed the union until his removal in 2003, when an investigation concluded that he’d rigged his re-election of the previous year. On top of that, said prosecutors, he demanded a kickback from a union vendor who’d installed a phone system. These charges, incidentally, originated with Ed Stier and his staff. After four days of hearing testimony, jurors on December 8 voted to convict Crawley all counts. Crawley, ironically enough, had been elected as a reformer in 1997, two years after the removal of his predecessor, Richard Hammond, by a trustee for embezzlement of union funds; Hammond later was sentenced to four years in prison. With Crawley’s conviction, that makes four Local 988 presidents to be convicted on federal charges since 1992.

The prosecution’s charge of election-rigging rested on some key evidence. First, Crawley allegedly used the union’s computer system to generate phony ballots and then used the mail to cast 362 of those ballots in the names of union members whom he felt were unlikely to vote. His guess was about 90 percent accurate – in other words, not quite good enough. Thirty-six of those persons did vote. That raised suspicions and ultimately triggered an investigation. Even more decisive in determining the lack of legitimacy of the ballots was the stamp-reminder box in the upper-right-hand corner of each envelope. Business Extension Bureau, a Houston printing company, produced the ballots. Ro Royal, company executive vice president, testified that all return envelopes in his batch included a box in the upper-right-hand corner that contained the words: PLACE FIRST-CLASS POSTAGE HERE. The firm’s printing supervisor, Bill Washam, said he “absolutely did not” print any return envelopes lacking the indicia. Garry Kyle, a former union official executive, said he went to the boss’s house days before the mail-in voting deadline to help with his campaign. When he walked into Crawley’s study, he “knew something was wrong.” Kyle testified that he saw a printout of the Local 988 membership, a stack of unmarked election ballots and unsealed return envelopes. Kyle and Crawley then formed a mini-assembly line. Crawley chose members from the roster he predicted would not vote, marking phony ballots for them; Kyle placed each ballot in an envelope, sealed it, and placed a postage stamp on it.

Prosecutors also accused Crawley of accepting a $20,000 kickback from a local vendor who had installed a telephone system at the local’s new $1.7 million union hall. The vendor testified that he offered to sell the union a phone system for $32,000, but that Crawley asked him to add $20,000. Justice Department trial attorney Vincent Falvo said Crawley told the vendor who installed the telephone system in the building, “There will be no other bids. This is my union hall.”

Ned Barnett, Crawley’s attorney, believes his client was given a bum steer. Prosecutors unfairly targeted him, he said, while granting immunity to unreliable witnesses who lied on the stand to save themselves. “They wanted Mr. Crawley,” Barnett said. “They had their minds made up. He’s the prize. He’s the trophy.” Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Wright called the allegation absurd, saying the evidence pointing to Crawley’s guilt was overwhelming. Upon conviction, Crawley immediately was remanded into custody pending sentencing on March 23. (Houston Chronicle, 12/6/06, 12/9/06; other sources).

[U P S FREIGHT DRIVER]

Hello ladies and gentlemen Yes I am a UPS freight driver, And yes we need the teamsters as much as you do.
We have not voted for the APWA as we are not sure they know what they are doing, And as most of us have never been in a union therefore we do not know what we are doing as well so we are counting on our new brothers and sisters in the package and feeder depts. to guide us so to speak.
Remember this we did not sign up at UPS they bought us and made us wear brown ( not that its bad!).
most of us only want to be seen as part of the UPS family and not looked down on as if we were intruders.
Yes we will vote for the teamsters in due time.
HAVE A GREAT DAY !!!!
PS: My name is Fred thats all ya get for now. I have 21 Years at overnite and now as the rule goes i have 21 years at UPS
YAY ME WELCOME ABOARD.

[UPSFreightMan]

We do not want the teamsters at ups freight. we have it good already and very few terminals will vote them in.

[fr8dude]

Originally Posted by UPSFreightMan

We do not want the teamsters at ups freight. we have it good already and very few terminals will vote them in.

Once the Indy contract is available for review, we will see how good we currently have it and how few terminals will vote them in.

I think the opposite. I think we will gain enhancements to what we have now thus sweetening the pot and the dominoes wil start to fall.

[bamaboy]

The sad thing for UPS Freight is that 50% + 1 will decided if you are union or not. Until UPS Freight starts paying there own way, do not look for any golden eggs. It just does not work that way. The Indy contract is announced right after the UPS small package agreement. WOW, how interesting. Read what Hoffa had to say about it. Sometimes you have to make someone who loss feel like they won something. One terminal does not make a whole company. You freight folks have to decide for yourselves what you want. Just remember, you could loose your 401K match and that in the long run will be worth more than any Teamster contract. Just ask a package driver what their match is. Does ZERO sound better than 3%? The bottom line is that UPS Freight has to become the largest freight company in the WORLD, the same as UPS package to enjoy any benefits of being a UPS company.
It is not ROCKET science, just economics.....and the AMERICAN WAY!

You can keep the 3% match. I'll take a contract and the job security that goes along with it. I've had over a half dozen managers in just over 8 years and I'm tired of dealing with their B.S. Now with a contract we will end the favoritism and butt kissing that screws over the straight shooters at UPS Freight. Thank you INDY workers! You'll have more Teamsters on your side shortly. Oh! Bye, bye, apwa.

[Big Babooba]

Originally Posted by bamaboy

The sad thing for UPS Freight is that 50% + 1 will decided if you are union or not. Until UPS Freight starts paying there own way, do not look for any golden eggs. It just does not work that way. The Indy contract is announced right after the UPS small package agreement. WOW, how interesting. Read what Hoffa had to say about it. Sometimes you have to make someone who loss feel like they won something. One terminal does not make a whole company. You freight folks have to decide for yourselves what you want.

It is not ROCKET science, just economics.....and the AMERICAN WAY!

I've been with UPS for over 28 years. It is true, UPS does not match our 401 K. Do you also have a pension plan along with your 401K like we do? I'm just curious.

[speedbug]

Originally Posted by upsdawg

tie------ditto ,,,,,why give up a good thing that you have some control over.The next question is will UPS keep the same 401k match for O-nite/UPS Freight?? As long as it continues, I don't see any reason for them to give their monies to someone else to control------matter of fact ,now that I think about it, I do remember someoen from UPS Freight indicate that it would remain--it just would be matched with UPS Stock!!

Here is a good question--------if there were not a Central States(or Western Conf......) and all of our UPS Drivers had their retirement in UPS Stock---would there be more of a concern to grow the business and cut costs and take some more volume away form our competitors to make the stock more valuable??

Just ask the people from ENRON what happens when you have your pension in company stock

[speedbug]

Originally Posted by undercoversupe

Overnite won't go union. Not all of Management is bad at UPS. Most are, but a few really try to make a difference. Really, for you long timers, how is it today compared to 15 years ago?

Comparing to 15 yrs ago mgmt people are more of an a$$hole than ever before. You only get the guys crossed the picket line wanting to go into mgmt or the guys who do all the a$$kissing. They come in with an I'm bad attitude and think they are bad-a$$es. I love it , it is alot of fun to take them on . Guys that go into mgmt now a days do not last long like they used to . If you know the contract and are willing to stand up to them you can have alot of fun making their life hell. Bring it on all you sups.

[bamaboy]

Yes UPS Freight has both and the pension is for UPS Freight employees only....

[thigh19]

Anyone seen any details on what is being offered by the Indy contract. Are they going to offer the contract nation wide? That's the only way I can see a UPS Freight contract working. I've been with Overnite/UPS Freight since 1990 and am pretty comfortable with the way thing are(Pretty much). I've heard rumors, but that is all.:confused1

[overupsfreight]

Well i can say that going with the Teamsters, can not be any worse then staying non union, and dealing with the new rules and policies UpS has set forth. UpS really needs to step up and take charge of this company, send someone from ACTUAL UpS to the terminals to get feedback on how the employees are treated and what they can do to improve the work day. For example there is so much Racism going on,Favoritism and management treating employees like dirt. Everyone at the terminal hates one another, and talk to one another in vulgar and demeaning words .No one understands the word teamwork ,co workers think other co workers are out to get them .I would say there are about 98% of the employees that are disgruntled are dissatisfied ,With the way that UpS has taken this company. The new raise is ridiculous and is a slap in the face, to the hard working men and women at UpS Freight. Mcdonalds has better structure and offers better service to their customers and employees. And one more thing package drivers UpS chose to purchase Overnite Transport, we didn't choose them,So you can drive around all day and not wave and be rude all you want, and act like you are better then us, with people like you on the road,i am ashamed to be associated with the same company.

[ups79]

Originally Posted by overupsfreight

Well i can say that going with the Teamsters, can not be any worse then staying non union, and dealing with the new rules and policies UpS has set forth. UpS really needs to step up and take charge of this company, send someone from ACTUAL UpS to the terminals to get feedback on how the employees are treated and what they can do to improve the work day. For example there is so much Racism going on,Favoritism and management treating employees like dirt. Everyone at the terminal hates one another, and talk to one another in vulgar and demeaning words .No one understands the word teamwork ,co workers think other co workers are out to get them .I would say there are about 98% of the employees that are disgruntled are dissatisfied ,With the way that UpS has taken this company. The new raise is ridiculous and is a slap in the face, to the hard working men and women at UpS Freight. Mcdonalds has better structure and offers better service to their customers and employees. And one more thing package drivers UpS chose to purchase Overnite Transport, we didn't choose them,So you can drive around all day and not wave and be rude all you want, and act like you are better then us, with people like you on the road,i am ashamed to be associated with the same company.

It might be best for you to look for a different occupation. You sound so unhappy.

[chrisyax530]

hey guys, im new to brown cafe.. i work for ups freight in ny. we are in the process of signing cards and have been told that we need 85 percent signed in order to go union. it has always been a rule of thumb majority rules. 50 percent plus one vote would aquire the union. why do we need 85 percent, how are we different than the rest of the country????

[edd_tv]

And one more thing package drivers UpS chose to purchase Overnite Transport, we didn't choose them,So you can drive around all day and not wave and be rude all you want, and act like you are better then us, with people like you on the road,i am ashamed to be associated with the same company.



a non wave is better than a middle finger any day to me at least

[tommyl62]

we teamsters should of told ups one company one union package freight full time part time one union one company we had ups by the short hairs and let this happen its to bad maybe freight will be in the teamsters in 5 years when we strike like we should of did this year

[Fullhouse]

Originally Posted by chrisyax530

hey guys, im new to brown cafe.. i work for ups freight in ny. we are in the process of signing cards and have been told that we need 85 percent signed in order to go union. it has always been a rule of thumb majority rules. 50 percent plus one vote would aquire the union. why do we need 85 percent, how are we different than the rest of the country????

Union Meeting last Sat and the Pres stated that all he needed was 65% of cards signed. Also stated that the way new barns are organized has been changed a little bit. He boasted that he will be able to get the percentage he needs in a couple of days, 500 potential new members out of 6 terminals in South Carolina. He said the other week that one barn the members couldn't wait for them set up the organizing trailer, they just wanted cards to sign. Truth? who knows but that is was he was preaching.

[overupsfreight]

Originally Posted by edd_tv

And one more thing package drivers UpS chose to purchase Overnite Transport, we didn't choose them,So you can drive around all day and not wave and be rude all you want, and act like you are better then us, with people like you on the road,i am ashamed to be associated with the same company.



a non wave is better than a middle finger any day to me at least

Hey ED if you were ever on the same road as me and shot me a bird you would be swallowing your teeth. but wait that would never happen because your a gutless coward that talk sh1t over the computer.

Originally Posted by chrisyax530

hey guys, im new to brown cafe.. i work for ups freight in ny. we are in the process of signing cards and have been told that we need 85 percent signed in order to go union. it has always been a rule of thumb majority rules. 50 percent plus one vote would aquire the union. why do we need 85 percent, how are we