UPS Freight targeted by Teamsters

nospinzone · 04-28-2006, 09:04 AM

Im sure everyone has been anxiously waiting to hear about all the good fortune that Teamsters can bring the boys and girls over at UPS Freight. Now you can read about it in black and white. Please see the attached scanned handout being circulated at Freight facilities.

You can also visit teamsters organizing site for UPS Freight.

For all those that know me, I'll spare you my thoughts... Id like to hear how people in Freight feel about this.

Nospin

brett636 · 04-28-2006, 12:51 PM

It was only a matter of time before they started recampaigning with overnite. I doubted the teamsters were going to allow UPS freight to be non-union for too long.

upsdawg · 04-28-2006, 03:13 PM

Why would the overnite folks want to be represented by a Union if they are satisfied with their Pensions the way that they are currently set up-----and my understanding is that they were getting a 100% 401k match up to 12%!!And is UPS going to keep them on the same option?

Is there someone one from Overnite/UPS Freight that can share some of their feelings??

So we should not support O-nite/UPS Freight because they are non-union----so our other option is to let Fed Ex Freight, which is non union also, capture as much of our new family members volume????

over9five · 04-28-2006, 05:06 PM

"I doubted the teamsters were going to allow UPS freight to be non-union for too long."

Why? The Teamsters have "allowed" Fedex to be non-union.

Honestly, I have come to believe that the Teamsters have given up on organizing. Oh, I know, we all get the Teamster rag where they brag about organizing this or that. But it's all piddly a$$ nothing companies.

Oh, I forgot. UPS is their cash cow. Of course we're going to organize UPS Freight.

They're going to suck the cash cow dry.

nospinzone · 04-29-2006, 07:36 AM

Its always about the money. Either directly or indirectly. In this case it might be more indirectly. Should Overnite remain unorganized or vote in another union(APWA or a purely overnite union), I see Teamsters ability to form a solid strike line decreased. We already know that the pilots union doesnt want to do business with Hoffa. Overnite would just be one more link in the chain. Should Overnite successfully resist Hoffas advances, Teamsters already pitiful bargaining power takes another turn south.

desmones · 04-29-2006, 10:29 AM

it won't ever happen.... they tried it before and failed. Hoffa can't afford to fight it again. We do not want the union and won't let them in. We get better benifts and our pension actually has money in it. Hoffa is squandering away teamsters pension, he won't get his hands on our retirement.

desmones · 04-29-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by upsdawg

Why would the overnite folks want to be represented by a Union if they are satisfied with their Pensions the way that they are currently set up-----and my understanding is that they were getting a 100% 401k match up to 12%!!And is UPS going to keep them on the same option?

Is there someone one from Overnite/UPS Freight that can share some of their feelings??

So we should not support O-nite/UPS Freight because they are non-union----so our other option is to let Fed Ex Freight, which is non union also, capture as much of our new family members volume????

we only get 50% match up to 7%... and the only change in that is the match is going to be in stock not cash

retiredone · 04-29-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nospinzone

Im sure everyone has been anxiously waiting to hear about all the good fortune that Teamsters can bring the boys and girls over at UPS Freight.

Wonderful news for the folks in freight! Now they can enjoy all the benefits of the Central States Pension....Oh...wait a minute. Why would anyone in their right mind do that?!

nospinzone · 04-30-2006, 11:38 AM

Looks like theres some discussion goin on already on this topic on another board.

truckingboards.com

brett636 · 04-30-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

"I doubted the teamsters were going to allow UPS freight to be non-union for too long."

Why? The Teamsters have "allowed" Fedex to be non-union.

Honestly, I have come to believe that the Teamsters have given up on organizing. Oh, I know, we all get the Teamster rag where they brag about organizing this or that. But it's all piddly a$$ nothing companies.

Oh, I forgot. UPS is their cash cow. Of course we're going to organize UPS Freight.

They're going to suck the cash cow dry.

Comparing apples to oranges. What single part of fedex is currently organized by the teamsters? None.

I did speak with one driver for overnight and his opinion is the teamsters will be voted in at UPS freight. Only time will tell though.

desmones · 04-30-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brett636

Comparing apples to oranges. What single part of fedex is currently organized by the teamsters? None.

I did speak with one driver for overnight and his opinion is the teamsters will be voted in at UPS freight. Only time will tell though.

This driver you talked to probably wasn't around during the last big strike against Overnite. I was... out of 600 terminals less the 15 voted them in. Within a year everyone filed for decertification from the union when they realized that all the promises were lies. The union is no longer helpful to the trucking industry Ask the guys who worked for Jones, CF, USF bestway, etc... the union really helped them.... straight to the unemployment line....and ask how many of them lost thier pensions!!!!

upsdawg · 05-01-2006, 01:39 PM

DESMONES---welcome aboard officailly, happy to have you join our UPS Family !! Your input is most appreciated and welcomed.There is a lot of speculation and rumors about the future of UPS Freight--hopefully this is something that will allow us to attract more business by offering a wider portfolio!!

ALL ABOARD!!!

nospinzone · 05-01-2006, 04:10 PM

Yeah,,,Ditto Desmones. UPS needs to be aggressive in every market , and you guys will definitely pull your weight. Thanks for being proactive in discussions. Different perspectives always make for good talk.

pasfailure · 05-02-2006, 08:09 PM

I told my local Overnite Driver he looked pretty spiffy in the new Uniforms. Then I told him to pick up the pace, we have a reputation!

oakland · 05-02-2006, 10:07 PM

Now is as good as anytime to try and organize. The Central States Fund is a crutch right now, but not everyone falls under that pension. The workers at Overnite and Motor Cargo are getting new clothes and painted trucks. I bet they are treated differently at some accounts now that it says UPS on their shirts. Soon they will learn to earn that money for Big Brown like we do. They will learn who their daddy is, because UPS will show them or they will show them the door. I think the workers will let the union in sooner or later because the UPS management style will force the issue.

tieguy · 05-03-2006, 12:13 AM

with 12 percent 401 k match you have a gift. dont ever give it up to join the teamsters.

upsdawg · 05-03-2006, 04:15 PM

tie------ditto ,,,,,why give up a good thing that you have some control over.The next question is will UPS keep the same 401k match for O-nite/UPS Freight?? As long as it continues, I don't see any reason for them to give their monies to someone else to control------matter of fact ,now that I think about it, I do remember someoen from UPS Freight indicate that it would remain--it just would be matched with UPS Stock!!

Here is a good question--------if there were not a Central States(or Western Conf......) and all of our UPS Drivers had their retirement in UPS Stock---would there be more of a concern to grow the business and cut costs and take some more volume away form our competitors to make the stock more valuable??

tieguy · 07-20-2006, 12:29 AM

absolutely. The overnight acquisition should be interesting. The teamsters have not really shown any interest in 401 k match. Maybe this will open up this retirement option for small package upsers.

wkmac · 07-20-2006, 06:06 AM

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with 12 percent 401 k match you have a gift. dont ever give it up to join the teamsters.

Amen Tie.

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The teamsters have not really shown any interest in 401 k match. Maybe this will open up this retirement option for small package upsers.

Man Brother Tie, I like your sermon this morning!

Seriously, I couldn't agree more about the 401k issue. I got my 2006' UPS Compensation Statement in the mail yesterday and based on my contributions and their figurative 8% growth over the next 5 years, my 401k will double. Now I personally use a growth factor of 5% in making my own personal plans even though I've got investments that traditionally grow beyond that, I just like a very conservative approach when planning plus I always beat my expected goals and makes me look smarter than I really am!

If UPS was able to do a 12% match then I could for sure max out to the limit of the law and then have some money left over to go back into my pay, which of course would change my tax situation but hey, that's life. It would still be a raise so to speak and UPS would be making a nice contribution to my longterm retirement benefits. So thinking along these lines, if I have to work another roughly 13 years to get to the magic 62 number, why not do so fattening up my pocket directly that I know I'll get.

I know! I know! I'm a one man band on this. Oh well!

mittam · 07-20-2006, 03:11 PM

I have talked with a few onernite drivers who all have said "hell no we don't want the teamsters, we kept them out before we will do it again",I offered them the info for the APWA and they love it. Hopefully they use common sense and keep away from the crooks called teamsters

mittam · 07-20-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

with 12 percent 401 k match you have a gift. dont ever give it up to join the teamsters.

you are right there tieguy

07-20-2006, 07:45 PM

Mac,
The way I see it this whole thing is falling into place just the way you want it too. And I agree but it will be too late to help me. There is no doubt in my mind that the new contract will include some kind of 401k match. I mean just no doubt. By agreeing to this the teamsters solve 2 big problems. Getting the overnite guys to join the union(with UPS permission of course) and solving their own pension mess. Who's going to vote aganist a 401k match? Nobody.And why wouldn't UPS give it's drivers the same thing it's going to give to the overnite guys. Of course it will come at the expense of getting less of a raise per hour but who won't agree to that? Nobody. And it takes away the only card the AWPA has. UPS really doesn't want anything to do with the AWPA. It's a nice thing to have to rub in junior's face but if the driivers voted to decertify you can bet UPS would do all it could to stay union free. I think your dream is going to come true. IMHO

undercoversupe · 07-26-2006, 10:42 PM

Overnite won't go union. Not all of Management is bad at UPS. Most are, but a few really try to make a difference. Really, for you long timers, how is it today compared to 15 years ago?

trucker06 · 07-27-2006, 05:23 AM

yes we have a 401k plan and you are mistaken about the matching it is 50% up to 7%.....

trucker06 · 07-27-2006, 05:32 AM

hey is there any ups freight people out there that feel that we need the union in order to stop the brainwashing that overnite has done for the longest time???:confused1