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Motownpride · 05-18-2008, 05:30 PM

Pretzel_man....you are right on...i have been following this thread for months without commenting.....This 2029 gperson, doesn't deserve to get stock....His postings are always negative and he hates the big guy.

I actually find the big guy refreshing. He brings a business sense to what was a poorly run I/T shop when BL was in charge.

His reportback this week was one of the best i have seen. He wants us to be involved in growing the business and he added his own personal reflections from the conference when he attended earlier this year.

We still have some dead weight at the PM and systems mgr level that talk behind his back. Eventually he will catch them and deal with them. He is Brown to the bone and with him and DB at the top of I/T, I know we will do whatever is necessary
to make it work.

BIG GUY...I am in your corner and not sucking up....just supporting the vision and goals you have laid out for this portfolio !!!!!

AMEN and MOTOWN PRIDE !!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by pretzel_man

2029:

I'm curious as to who you think "they" are?

Are you not management? The change in RSU's affected each and every management person.

If you work in IS, depending on your job you likely make more than an equivalent district supervisor.

All management people worked our way up from junior members. We reached whatever level we attain by working hard and never giving up.

I'm not sure if the lack of upward movement caused your attitude or if it was the other way around.

In either case, the first lesson of managment is that there is no us and them. "They" are us.

P-Man

ramsey500 · 05-18-2008, 06:27 PM

"these pretzels are making me thirsty" AND NAUSEOUS ! enough with all the butt-kissing already !

--ask someone about Project Golden; that should open your eyes a bit.

regarding stock value, if we weren't wasting so much $$$ on failed projects (see UPSF payroll for example) you might smell $80 occasionally.

and as far as growing the business, I am all for asking a friend or neighbor to use UPS, but how 'bout we get some real salespeople and let them do what they do best?

05-18-2008, 06:56 PM

Talking of the wast of $$$, EDI group. At least they got rid of the old management in that group starting with PL's and the PM. Times of the long lunches, going swimming at lunch time are over. They finally have a great PLs, PM and the System manager. Thanks to the BIG GUY.
Shame they did not retire the second PL.

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Originally Posted by ramsey500

"these pretzels are making me thirsty" AND NAUSEOUS ! enough with all the butt-kissing already !

--ask someone about Project Golden; that should open your eyes a bit.

regarding stock value, if we weren't wasting so much $$$ on failed projects (see UPSF payroll for example) you might smell $80 occasionally.

and as far as growing the business, I am all for asking a friend or neighbor to use UPS, but how 'bout we get some real salespeople and let them do what they do best?

Motownpride · 05-18-2008, 08:17 PM

ANother person who plays on peoples fears...Project Golden was a user run project impacting Asia.....where is the meat
in what you are spewing ??

I checked out payroll...do you mean the accenture run payroll project ???
The P/S freight project was based on the facts known at the time....we owned the P/S contract and wasn't freight using it and it needed an upgrade ??? maybe i was told incorrectly....

as far as being thirsty...how about i fill a glass with URINE and you drink it you low life...

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Originally Posted by ramsey500

"these pretzels are making me thirsty" AND NAUSEOUS ! enough with all the butt-kissing already !

--ask someone about Project Golden; that should open your eyes a bit.

regarding stock value, if we weren't wasting so much $$$ on failed projects (see UPSF payroll for example) you might smell $80 occasionally.

and as far as growing the business, I am all for asking a friend or neighbor to use UPS, but how 'bout we get some real salespeople and let them do what they do best?

UPSOVERSIZE · 05-18-2008, 08:27 PM

Ramsey500....where are you going with Project Golden ?? Everyone in the know....knows what it is....
no impact on I/T....what is your problem ???

I think you are full of crap and are bitter. I hear Fedex is hiring in India....Try swimming !!!!

ISFriendly · 05-18-2008, 08:32 PM

Hey Motown Pride & Pretzel guy..don't waste your time responding to Ramsey500 and the Giants2029 guy....follow their threads and you will see they are anti-ups employees. Not partners.....

I hope hey get what is coming to them. I am not sure if they are users or I/T.

THe Ramsey guy is definitely a USER and a whiner

pretzel_man · 05-19-2008, 10:12 AM

Ramsey, 2029:

I'm not an IS guy. I'm not a user. I'm just a long time UPS management person, but I know enough about IS and technology to be dangerous.

On one assignment, I spent significant amount of time in the building that Ramsey gets his name from.

UPS has about 30,000 management people. The vast majority work hard every day, maintain a good attitude, and represent UPS well.

There is a small minority that don't show pride in their work or for UPS. When I see that, I feel a need to call them out.

As I suspected, there is the silent majority here that don't buy the BS you spout.

I really think you need to decide whether you would rather be in management, or be an employee. There's a lot more responsibility being in management.

Management requires a greater commitment, sacrifice, and ownership of decisons.

There are lots of IT people in UPS that I consider partners. I'd take them with me in the field any day. Others complain about their position, second guess every decision and forget that they are here to SUPPORT the business.

BTW, do you really think that the stock is where it is because of the failed IT projects you mentioned?

Decide whether you want to act like and be treated like a partner, or if you prefer being an employee.

P-Man

ramsey500 · 05-19-2008, 04:32 PM

P-MAN: I respect what you say---however, the partnership ethic went out the door the day we went public. What kind of partnership rewards some partners with a "special" incentive plan (LTIP) in addition to MIP? Calling someone a partner nowadays usually means you need something from them quickly and unplanned, as in "hey partner, can you do me a solid?"

MOTOWNPRIDE: you call yourself a partner? there was a lot I could say regarding your drink urine and show me the beef comments but I chose not to.

pretzel_man · 05-19-2008, 06:21 PM

[quote=ramsey500;342084]P-MAN: I respect what you say---however, the partnership ethic went out the door the day we went public. What kind of partnership rewards some partners with a "special" incentive plan (LTIP) in addition to MIP? Calling someone a partner nowadays usually means you need something from them quickly and unplanned, as in "hey partner, can you do me a solid?"

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Ramsey, the practice of varying rewards at different levels has been around since Casey's day and has evolved many times.

First stock was only offered to a select few. Then MIP for managers and avove only. Then to Supervisors, with managers and above getting double.

Stock options go to grade 18's and above. That's changed multiple times with different awards at different levels.

Now LTIP for grade 20's and above.

Each of these awards are designed to give more deferred compensation to the higher grade levels. They are meant to encourage those individuals to stay longer with the company and to reward the meeting of goals that grow the company stock.

Each of the LTIP elements are tied to indices that the market cares about.

The thought is that those very senior managers should work toward items that grow the stock and in turn they would be rewarded.

So, in my mind, partnership is NOT dead. Its alive because I discuss it daily with my people, and walk the talk. They preach partnership and walk the talk.

Its your turn. Are you going to let partnership die? Do you walk the talk?

P-Man

ramsey500 · 05-19-2008, 06:54 PM

I appreciate your insight, but I don't understand how they still get LTIP when the stock hasn't grown much in the past several years.

pretzel_man · 05-19-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ramsey500

I appreciate your insight, but I don't understand how they still get LTIP when the stock hasn't grown much in the past several years.

LTIP is only in its third year.

The first year, LTIP did well. The second it was not good. The third was mediocre.

Each year, only a % of it is paid and its on a sliding scale.

I can probably find the elements somewhere if needed.

BTW, stock options have been very poor because the stock has been flat.

P-Man

ramsey500 · 05-22-2008, 06:27 PM

oversize: where are you going with Project Golden ?? Everyone in the know....knows what it is....no impact on I/T.

motown pride: Project Golden was a user run project impacting Asia

do u guys really know what Project Golden is- or do u just think u know? it's overseas outsourcing of support and maintenance for UPS systems. hmmm---who is doing those jobs now? and is this really a user run project?

u guys are CLUELESS

05-23-2008, 08:44 AM

You are the one who is clueless...It is a overseas outsourcing, but not for the IT labor. It's for the local offices - billing, F&A and so on. Admin labor. You are a troublemaker...
This just proves that you are not in Ramsey IT group.

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Originally Posted by ramsey500

oversize: where are you going with Project Golden ?? Everyone in the know....knows what it is....no impact on I/T.

motown pride: Project Golden was a user run project impacting Asia

do u guys really know what Project Golden is- or do u just think u know? it's overseas outsourcing of support and maintenance for UPS systems. hmmm---who is doing those jobs now? and is this really a user run project?

u guys are CLUELESS

06-03-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickym

You are the one who is clueless...It is a overseas outsourcing, but not for the IT labor. It's for the local offices - billing, F&A and so on. Admin labor. You are a troublemaker...
This just proves that you are not in Ramsey IT group.

Why are you mentioning information that was directed to be kept within department?

UPSOVERSIZE · 06-04-2008, 05:58 AM

you are correct in your statement...RAMSEY...try again !!!

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Originally Posted by Rickym

You are the one who is clueless...It is a overseas outsourcing, but not for the IT labor. It's for the local offices - billing, F&A and so on. Admin labor. You are a troublemaker...
This just proves that you are not in Ramsey IT group.

freeloader · 06-04-2008, 06:10 AM

Wow someone finally mentioned that UPS is considering taking the plunge into the overseas outsourcing of some admin jobs. This does not surprise me at all, but if it really happens and it is successful, think about what could be next - TSG/TSC/IS. I'm not trying to over-speculate, but perhaps UPS is looking to get its toes wet, so to speak, with the admins first before taking a bigger risk with other functions.

Deeohem · 06-06-2008, 03:46 PM

TSC definately could move almost any time along with ECTS. After all, the SCS global help desk is already based offshore.