Big Changes Ahead in TSG - Page 4 - Brown Cafe

fastgeorge · 02-12-2009, 01:33 AM

by my opinion there is no planed bottom line for reducing tsg.
As any other major player did, ups will learn it the hard way, too.
They reduce and reduce until a desaster occurs. Then they stop reducing,
assess the situation and may find out, that they reduced too much.
As usual then one is blamed for it, fired and course is changed.
The tsg task is now to either survive that or find a company that already
learned that lession.
This kind of managing has already its own name: "managing by excel sheet".

As good tsg you have no problems to find a new job.
Companies know how dependent they are on computers and
people that can manage those. But they never would say so.
We as tech people then could ask for more money.

nerrollus · 02-25-2009, 02:07 AM

It still makes me chuckle every time I hear some big wig talking about how technology is the future of UPS, went the continue down sizing TSG and making it more and more difficult to work here.

We've lost about 2/3rds of our department. We're so bare bones right now that if one tech takes a vacation we have to adjust 3 peoples schedule to cover. In some cases we have to borrow a tech from another building and pay them to live out of a motel for a week so we have coverage.

They continue to promote those crazy enough to go into management and instead of hiring compitent replacements, they're hiring people that will stay for a year or two, then promote up. We've got a couple guys right now that don't even own a home computer and got hired as TSG techs because they have a college degree and want to promote up. They just don't want tech savy people that understand the UPS technology to stick around and get too many promotions.

There are a few techs here that have been in TSG for around 8 years now and we're constantly bombarded by our management people to put our letters in. None of us are even slightly interested in promoting up because the way they treat the management people is just unacceptable for us. We all have to walk on egg shells in fear of getting laid off and replaced by some monkey with a keyboard to save some money. All the while we've got division and district managers pulling in six figure bonuses at the end of the year.... We could hire 3+ techs for that bonus alone.

Like a lot of others we're just keeping out heads down and trying to stick it out until we can find something better or finish school and start a different career. It's a damn shame too, because TSG used to be a great job and a lot of fun. Everyone was relaxed and loved their job. Problems were solved same day and everyone had plenty of work to do. Now we're all struggling to stay ahead of the work and have to worry about all the crazy reports and elements they look at every day. Starting to worry that magnafying glass I'm under is going to burn me like and ant.

Hoaxster · 02-25-2009, 03:21 AM

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We've lost about 2/3rds of our department. We're so bare bones right now that if one tech takes a vacation we have to adjust 3 peoples schedule to cover. In some cases we have to borrow a tech from another building and pay them to live out of a motel for a week so we have coverage.
That sounds like it is working. If 1 person could cover, that indicates over-staffing.

Like a lot of others we're just keeping out heads down and trying to stick it out until we can find something better or finish school and start a different career.
Nothing wrong with that.

It's a damn shame too, because TSG used to be a great job and a lot of fun.
I've never had a job that was fun...I guess that's why hey pay us.

Everyone was relaxed and loved their job. Problems were solved same day and everyone had plenty of work to do. Now we're all struggling to stay ahead of the work and ...
Welcome to the real world of UPS

I guess it's time to grow up and experience the conditions that everybody else at UPS has to live in.
Hope you enjoyed the nice ride while it lasted.

nerrollus · 02-25-2009, 07:11 PM

1) Yes one person can cover, but that doesn't mean the job is being done properly and work is being completed in a reasonable amount of time. Example: There's been a guy in the building with a crashed PC for 3 days and no one has been able to get his PC replaced and all his data recovered. why? Because the log is low priority and no one has had time to deal with it yet. That sound reasonable to you? How would you like to be the guy without a PC for 3, going on 4 days now and not have access to any of your data or email.

2) If you've never had a job that was fun, then I feel for you. I've got lots of friends/family that went to school and got their dream job and enjoy their work everyday. I don't think that's asking too much...

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I guess it's time to grow up and experience the conditions that everybody else at UPS has to live in.
Hope you enjoyed the nice ride while it lasted.

cynical much?

Hoaxster · 02-25-2009, 07:17 PM

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2) If you've never had a job that was fun, then I feel for you. Feel for me, please.

I've got lots of friends/family that went to school and got their dream job and enjoy their work everyday. I don't think that's asking too much...
Sounds good to me...anyone at UPS feel that way?

cynical much?
Quite often.
Always took pride in being skeptical but one day I woke up and realized I was cynical.

Here's one for the "Sayings book"
The worst thing about being cynical is that you are invariably right.

nerrollus · 02-25-2009, 07:31 PM

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Sounds good to me...anyone at UPS feel that way?

lol, I don't know anyone at UPS that is happy or likes their job. It's either a means to an end, or they've been here too long to go somewhere else, OR they started when it was a good place to work, then it all went down hill and for whatever reason you're just not able to get out.

Sad really ... I always see news stories about how great a company UPS is to work for and all this propaganda, but just about everyone that works here is unhappy. I guess I just don't subscribe to the theory that work is work and you work every day at a job you hate because you have to. That's just an old way of thinking...

The world needs ditch diggers, yes, but I'm not one of them and I'm not going to settle for a job that I hate. I used to love my job, and I wish I still could, but the way the company is going it seems like they're not going to stop until everyone hates their job as much as the ditch diggers.

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The worst thing about being cynical is that you are invariably right.

Boy isn't that the truth ... It's hard not being cynical when the people with a cynical outlook on things are always right. Looking back, the people that were preaching doom several years ago look like prophets now.

Hoaxster · 02-25-2009, 08:31 PM

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Sad really ... I always see news stories about how great a company UPS is to work for and all this propaganda, but just about everyone that works here is unhappy. I guess I just don't subscribe to the theory that work is work and you work every day at a job you hate because you have to.

Now that's different from what you were saying before.
You used the words "enjoys" and "loves".
I don't know anyone at UPS who "enjoys" and "loves" their job. I actually like my job and get a lot of satisfaction from it.

However, there are a very few I know who hate their job or is unhappy because of their job.
I agree, if someone really hates the job or is unhappy because of their job, they need to move on.

Most people I see at UPS (and in life in general) that are unhappy is because that is their nature. Their attitude is more a reflection of themselves than their environment.

simcoe919a · 03-12-2009, 03:35 PM

Anyone have more news on TSG layoffs?

ImpactedTSG · 03-13-2009, 03:35 AM

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Anyone have more news on TSG layoffs?

Usually there are a ton of posts when the announcment is made, then the techs are threatened that they will not get their seperation package if they post about it on BC and it gets silent. After they get their package and are gone, they come back to BC and say how wonderful it is in the real IT world. Stay tuned!

lorri47 · 03-13-2009, 04:08 PM

I am not a union employee and I must say I like my job. Of course, I realize the package drivers work a lot harder than I do. Most non union people (I can't speak for management) do not hate their job. How sad is it to come to work every day when you hate the job! Hate is a very strong word.

asdf · 03-25-2009, 05:10 AM

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We've got a couple guys right now that don't even own a home computer and got hired as TSG techs because they have a college degree and want to promote up.

Dear Kind Sir, I am greatly desiring of such opportunity and would you please be telling me where to sign up?