Layoffs in I.S. - Page 7 - Brown Cafe

pretzel_man · 09-07-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ramsey500

when i started at UPS i worked 50-60 hours a week in a Jersey district so i know what you are talking about. however, when i got an assignment in I.S.N.J., mostly everyone was working 8 hour days.

i have no problem working the hours, it's the way it is being handled that bothers me. if u want me to work 8.3, 9, 9.5 hours a day, make sure everyone gets the memo !!

Ramsey:

I've had a few assignments working on IS systems. On one of them in the early 90's, I worked in Ramsey.

Like you, I came from a district working much harder than those I saw in corporate and IS. When I was in Ramsey, I worked less hard than when I was back home, but still put in more work than those in the building.

Rather than complain about MY hours, I pushed those around me to do more work. Maybe I was lucky in that there were other district people there, and they piled on.

My point is that as a UPS management person, you have a chance to make an impact. You can pick which way you do it.

I wouldn't complain about 8.3 hours...

P-Man

09-07-2008, 11:28 AM

I appreciate your feedback but I guess you don't get my point---

i have no problem working the hours, it's the way it is being handled that bothers me. if u want me to work 8.3, 9, 9.5 hours a day, make sure everyone gets the memo !

everyone meaning the same folks you tried to motivate during your special assignment(s)

UPSOVERSIZE · 09-10-2008, 06:33 PM

Ramsey.....your getting told bad info.....the big guy (DS) has told us to report actual time in WAR. He also told us if anyone tells them to report differently they should have that person see him. I may not agree with everything, but the guy has integrity..............He also got us a pilot to telework beginning next month.........i am a believer !!!!!!!!! He is pushing
his vision..........GOOD for UPS and UPS people............

i think it is time to start drinking the KOOL-AID !!!!!!

09-11-2008, 04:01 PM

As I've stated before, DJS is not the problem. And if I get selected as part of the telework pilot, I'll be sitting at home with my PJs and slippers on, sipping the kool-aid!

freeloader · 09-12-2008, 05:27 AM

What's the big deal with not allowing telecommuting? When I was in TSG we were allowed to do it from time to time. I had a TSG supervisor who worked from home quite a bit. The E-commerce group isn't domiciled anywhere, so they work from home almost 100% of the time. Most IT shops live by it these days and the company I work for encourages it as well. We have devs TS-ing in around the clock checking in code. It is definately beneficial.

09-12-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ramsey500

As I've stated before, DJS is not the problem. And if I get selected as part of the telework pilot, I'll be sitting at home with my PJs and slippers on, sipping the kool-aid!

Too bad for you Ramsey500, telework is in Motown only

09-12-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ramsey500

As I've stated before, DJS is not the problem. And if I get selected as part of the telework pilot, I'll be sitting at home with my PJs and slippers on, sipping the kool-aid!

Ramsey500, you are amazing. Please read below. This is one of the many smearing comments you wrote in the past about the "big guy" and now "he is not a problem". HM.
Jekyll and Hide
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It is truly amazing (and a sad commentary on the state of I.T. at UPS) that a person such as D** is in the position he is in. He should be in Operations where his 'management by intimidation' methods would fit right in.

09-12-2008, 08:19 PM

maybe there is an ulterior motive to this telework pilot.

wasn't 'big guy' the one hanging out in the Motown parking lot checking to see who left before 4pm? if he didn't trust you in the Motown building do you really think he is now going to trust you working at home?

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a knock on your door one day and it was 'big guy' checking to see if you were writing code and not doing the dishes!

and thanks for pulling that old post up. it must have taken you an hour or so looking through all my posts. that's an hour of your life you will never get back!

ISFriendly · 09-19-2008, 05:52 AM

Ramsey,

You need to take your medication !!!

09-19-2008, 02:56 PM

ISFRIENDLY---you never have anything nice to say to me---

ISFriendly · 09-22-2008, 12:32 PM

Ramsey,

Having friends and family members who have lost their jobs in this economy, I feel fortunate that i am still employed. I am concerned that
you haven't found the good in what goes on at UPS and I find you incosistent in what you say. I wonder why you hate so much. I think
if we could get over the petty stuff, we could get to the real issues we face as employees and as a company.

09-22-2008, 03:31 PM

why'd ya hafta make me go and cry?

and for the record, I know how fortunate I am. I love the company, it's some of the players and their methods I do not like, and will continue to speak out against.

and one of the real issues we face as a company is treating people with respect, even when you are demoting them or planning to terminate them.

if you are in MoTown you are lucky- if you are in Ramsey then you must have your head in the sand if you haven't seen or known someone that was treated with less than a little respect on their way out.

treat others as you would want to be treated...

and be nice to those on your way up the ladder because you may meet them again on the way down..

two mottos to live by!

09-22-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ramsey500

why'd ya hafta make me go and cry?

and for the record, I know how fortunate I am. I love the company, it's some of the players and their methods I do not like, and will continue to speak out against.

and one of the real issues we face as a company is treating people with respect, even when you are demoting them or planning to terminate them.

if you are in MoTown you are lucky- if you are in Ramsey then you must have your head in the sand if you haven't seen or known someone that was treated with less than a little respect on their way out.

treat others as you would want to be treated...

and be nice to those on your way up the ladder because you may meet them again on the way down..

two mottos to live by!

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obviously they have not done such a good job getting rid of the pinheads. You are still there. I read your posting and I can't see how someone would respect you. You do not sound like a person who respects anyone and respect goes both ways. GO RAMSEY and go away Ramsey500

09-23-2008, 02:36 PM

another anonymous LOSER

09-23-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ramsey500

another anonymous LOSER

are you talking about yourself?

Brownie37 · 09-28-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ramsey500

I was wondering if anyone else heard rumblings/rumors about IBM Consulting coming in to look for ways to outsource the majority of I.T. to China.

Yes, I heard this too, the "globalization" of I.S. Interviews are supposed to happen to decide what could be outsourced - maintenance, new development, entire I.S. Anyone else know any more about this?

09-29-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brownie37

Yes, I heard this too, the "globalization" of I.S. Interviews are supposed to happen to decide what could be outsourced - maintenance, new development, entire I.S. Anyone else know any more about this?

been hearing a lot of that lately---

ISWarrior · 10-01-2008, 07:12 AM

They are interviewing us right now about what we do in Motown. Remember explaining your job to the "Bobs" in the movie "Office Space"?

UPSIUFan · 10-01-2008, 07:34 PM

So, who is doing the interviews? UPSers? A consultant?

Sure hope you do more than take the requirements from the customer and give them to the programmers. And you better have people skills dammit!

"Good luck with your layoffs, alright, I hope your firings go really, really well. "

Remember, don't answer the phone on Fridays, and if your asked to be at a special meeting on Friday don't go.

ISWarrior · 10-02-2008, 04:39 AM

Consultants from IBM.

I told them I liked all Michael Bolton songs.

Basically explain what we do and or what our apps do. This helps them decide what jobs can be outsourced so we can increase our "global footprint" (which will be on my butt when they kick me out the door).

Motownpride · 10-04-2008, 05:10 PM

Warrior ....maybe it should be Worrier

We have had SOURCING of some consultants since last year anf it is working. We do development they do mntce. They call it following the SUN.

What portfolio do you work in ?

I seen this panic last year in ours and false accusations were posted on this website about it.

Also, be careful of some NON UPS I/T or ex disgruntled employess who will play with you and make you even more concerned.

ISWarrior · 10-05-2008, 08:57 AM

You confuse worry with observation. This is the first time (in my memory) that we were told point blank in a meeting about the "Global Footprint". When and how long (and will) it work is up for debate.

I do not worry, I have multiple up to date skills not just in IS, but other areas. If calamity strikes, No Problem. If it does not, No Problem.

Fact: They have told us in an imprompto meeting that UPS is expanding their global footprint.

Fact: You are not allowed to have a hard or soft copy of the announcement.

Fact: Two unit leads have already begun the process of being interviewed by IBM about what we do and how.

Conjecture: This could possibly mean people are going to be outsourced.

Paranoid Conjecture: You will loose your job and your RSUs

Evil Paranoid Conjecture: You will loose your job and your RSUs in two years when the amount UPS will get back by not giving them to you is maximized

pretzel_man · 10-05-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ISWarrior

You confuse worry with observation. This is the first time (in my memory) that we were told point blank in a meeting about the "Global Footprint". When and how long (and will) it work is up for debate.

I do not worry, I have multiple up to date skills not just in IS, but other areas. If calamity strikes, No Problem. If it does not, No Problem.

Fact: They have told us in an imprompto meeting that UPS is expanding their global footprint.

Fact: You are not allowed to have a hard or soft copy of the announcement.

Fact: Two unit leads have already begun the process of being interviewed by IBM about what we do and how.

Conjecture: This could possibly mean people are going to be outsourced.

Paranoid Conjecture: You will loose your job and your RSUs

Evil Paranoid Conjecture: You will loose your job and your RSUs in two years when the amount UPS will get back by not giving them to you is maximized

Didn't they tell you that any reductions would be done through attrition??

I still have friends in IS, and that's what they told me...

The enterprise strategy update certainly implied that management jobs were safe (as long as skills are maintained and objectives are achieved).

You work less hours than district management people and are paid more. I wish IS would work on delivering more as well.

P-Man

Motownpride · 10-05-2008, 06:56 PM

Hey Salty Pretzel,

What are you not getting from us I/T partners ? The grass always looks greener on the other side.

Hoaxster · 10-05-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Motownpride

Hey Salty Pretzel,

What are you not getting from us I/T partners ?

I'll tell you what we are not getting!

You are not giving us the functionality on the release date that we need but were not aware of until after it is launched!

When you gonna fix that?