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[FAVREFAN]

Anyone hear anything on a new 705 deal? Deadline approaches.

[705red]

Originally Posted by FAVREFAN

Anyone hear anything on a new 705 deal? Deadline approaches.

Negotiations started this morning.

705 has posted their proposal online at their website for all to see

http://www.teamsterslocal705.org/UPS%20Negotiations.htm

[dillweed]

Thanks for the link; interesting. I'm 710 and our negotiations are in process but neither side is budging yet. So far just hot-air yak.

I noticed 705 wants to allow full time employees to bid on 22.3 jobs. Wouldn't that be bidding down?

[IDoLessWorkThanMost]

Originally Posted by dillweed

Thanks for the link; interesting. I'm 710 and our negotiations are in process but neither side is budging yet. So far just hot-air yak.

I noticed 705 wants to allow full time employees to bid on 22.3 jobs. Wouldn't that be bidding down?

I don't understand. A 22.3 job is full-time, what's the problem with full-time employees bidding on full-time jobs?

[dillweed]

It may not be bidding down. I was just wondering about pay scale, job classification and so forth. Our center won't allow us to bid on a lesser paying job so maybe it would depend on top pay for that position?

[local804]

Originally Posted by dillweed

Thanks for the link; interesting. I'm 710 and our negotiations are in process but neither side is budging yet. So far just hot-air yak.

I noticed 705 wants to allow full time employees to bid on 22.3 jobs. Wouldn't that be bidding down?

22.3 jobs are a little more flexible with the family life for some people. Not everyone likes to work 9am to 8pm most of the time.

[Mike Hawk]

Our sole 22.3 in my center went there from F/T driving, is that not allowed?

[IDoLessWorkThanMost]

Originally Posted by Mike Hawk

Our sole 22.3 in my center went there from F/T driving, is that not allowed?

In most locals or regions I'm confident it is allowed, but not sure about that. I know in our local 25 it certainly is on the biannual bid. All F/T jobs are juggled here. Check your supplement

[hondo]

Originally Posted by Anonupser

705 has posted their proposal online at their website for all to see

http://www.teamsterslocal705.org/UPS%20Negotiations.htm

UPS' first/counter(?) offer now up on 705's website.

[FAVREFAN]

Looks like the 2 sides couldn't be farther apart.

[mittam]

Originally Posted by dillweed

Thanks for the link; interesting. I'm 710 and our negotiations are in process but neither side is budging yet. So far just hot-air yak.

I noticed 705 wants to allow full time employees to bid on 22.3 jobs. Wouldn't that be bidding down?

our building the full-time drivers are most of the ones that have gotten the 22.3 jobs.seniority rules here when those jobs are posted pters have no chance and drivers do not get replaced so pters are still waiting to get a shot at ft

[considering]

I need some clarification. It says on the website that was posted in this thread that all that is underlined is to be added to the current language. So... that means what exactly? Anything underlined is for sure going to be part of the new contract? How could anything be certain if the contract is yet to be agreed upon? So are the part timer pay raises a sure thing then? Please clear this up for me. Thanks.

[hondo]

Originally Posted by considering

I need some clarification. First, this is for Local 705 (Chicago area) only.It says on the website that was posted in this thread that all that is underlined is to be added to the current language. So... that means what exactly? These are only the proposals each side is presenting to each other.Anything underlined is for sure going to be part of the new contract? How could anything be certain if the contract is yet to be agreed upon? So are the part timer pay raises a sure thing then? Please clear this up for me. Thanks.

The 705 & UPS committees must come up with a tentative agreement (incorporating all the changes) which will then be voted on by the union members. If the members vote yes, it's a contract. If they vote no, the committees go back to the bargaining table.

[Hawaii50]

Originally Posted by IDoLessWorkThanMost

I don't understand. A 22.3 job is full-time, what's the problem with full-time employees bidding on full-time jobs?

Once you bid on a 22.3 position and get it. You are locked into that position. Their is no lateral movement from your 22.3 to another 22.3, or driver position, or back down to part-time status. The only 2 movements a 22.3 is allowed is upward towards management or 2 quit.

[cachsux]

Originally Posted by Hawaii50

Once you bid on a 22.3 position and get it. You are locked into that position. Their is no lateral movement from your 22.3 to another 22.3, or driver position, or back down to part-time status. The only 2 movements a 22.3 is allowed is upward towards management or 2 quit.

Here 22.3 can bid laterally for jobs description and start time. They can also go on the seniority sheet to go into package car.

[705red]

Originally Posted by considering

I need some clarification. It says on the website that was posted in this thread that all that is underlined is to be added to the current language. So... that means what exactly? Anything underlined is for sure going to be part of the new contract? How could anything be certain if the contract is yet to be agreed upon? So are the part timer pay raises a sure thing then? Please clear this up for me. Thanks.

Remember these are proposals from ups to the union and the union to ups. Anything that is underlined that party would like to insert into the contract, anything that has a line through it that party would like to have it deleted. Both sides have wording they would like to insert or remove and that is done through the process. Nothing is set in stone at this time, however there are tentative agreements on some aspects of the contract.

There are as of right now 8 dates scheduled to meet to get a contract in place by 8/1/08.

The website gets updated with all proposals union and ups's almost daily.
WWW.TEAMSTERSLOCAL705.ORG

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by 705red

Remember these are proposals from ups to the union and the union to ups. Anything that is underlined that party would like to insert into the contract, anything that has a line through it that party would like to have it deleted. Both sides have wording they would like to insert or remove and that is done through the process. Nothing is set in stone at this time, however there are tentative agreements on some aspects of the contract.

There are as of right now 8 dates scheduled to meet to get a contract in place by 8/1/08.

The website gets updated with all proposals union and ups's almost daily.
WWW.TEAMSTERSLOCAL705.ORG

By August 1st we may just close Cach down as part of our cost cutting measures.

[705red]

Originally Posted by tieguy

By August 1st we may just close Cach down as part of our cost cutting measures.

If you really want to cut costs you can eliminate the ie department, they have been a useless part of this company for way to long.

Another idea would be to eliminate the business development department. When was the last time a bd rep actually found businessby themselves? If it wasnt for the drivers turning in the sales leads they wouldnt be bale to cash their check. Once we do turn in the sales lead we have a telemarketer call and talk to the customer. If the bd rep cant close this deal after the driver and the pakistan telemarketer talked to the customer they should be taken out back like a wounded horse.


As to your comment about august 1st i would not recommend adding any fuel to the fire here. Give both sides the oppurtunity to come to an agreement with out throughing threats around. You never know they might call you to come here and load packages out of the cach facility if we decide not to work after august 1st.

[55andout?]

I see many part timers with the 8 1 and we are done shirts but no full time drivers... I wonder how many f/t drivers would strike with the part timers? Most drivers I speak with are saying that they would not.

[705red]

Originally Posted by 55andout?

I see many part timers with the 8 1 and we are done shirts but no full time drivers... I wonder how many f/t drivers would strike with the part timers? Most drivers I speak with are saying that they would not.

Im not jumping on you here, but i have to ask how long have you been with ups in chicago?
The reason the part timers have the shirts is a simple one. Back in 97 only the drivers were the tshirts and they were not as visible. The part timers can wear them through out their whole shift and typically 2 days a week while the drivers can wear them to work and then cover them up with their uniforms. It defeats the purpose of the tshirts intention, which is to show ups that we in chicago are not happy with the national language and if need be we are willing to strike over it. There is no promise of a strike only that we are willing to in order to get what we have earned.

I know i dont have to say this for everyone but i just want to explain to 55 that if it came to a strike ( its to early to assume one way or the other) it would not be a partimers only strike it would be for everyone in local 705 ptimers, package, feeder, 22.3, porters, clerks etc.

55 Have you visited the site to see the updates, thats what its there for for you to make a fact based decision if the time comes.

If you just take the time to read all of these other threads you will see how the language in the nayional has played out seeing the contract put into effect as of its ratification date. Thats a good thing for us i guess is we have been able to sit back and see how its played out.

How would you as a driver like to get fired over gps data from your diad? How about when you get a bottle of wine from your customers? Because under the counter proposal you can now be fired for possession of alcohol.

Take the time and read the wording and then get with your steward if need be. Remember our proposal came from the rank and file, this local took the time and had at least 3 seperate meetings to prepare and another one which the membership voted almost unaimously to accept our proposal and offer it to ups. Thats not including all the time spend by the contract committee which consists of 26 members including ups agents and ups workers from parttime, 22.3, air drivers, package car, feeder and not to mention union stewards who deal with this language on a daily basis.

Show me any other local who has taken this as serious as this local, you cant!

[local804]

Originally Posted by 705red

Show me any other local who has taken this as serious as this local, you cant!

He has a good point here.....