terminated...want my job back

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by New Englander

Well....as it "may" have been your first. If you had not been caught. I doubt it would have been the last.

Good point.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by Fredless

My sister was killed by a drunk driver, I'm sure he is "sorry" as well, but that won't bring her back. Point is, 1 little mistake can screw your life over for good.

You have got to be kidding me? You are comparing the momentary lapse of judgement on spicy's part to the mindset of a drunk driver. The two couldn't be further apart and to compare them is just plain stupid. I do apologize for your loss and have no idea what you have been and are going through but your view on this has been changed in a personal and permanent way thus leading to this flawed comparison.

Drunk drivers deserve everything they get and more. I firmly believe that, in addition to whatever sentence they receive, they should be made to go to the family of the victim(s) and apologize for their stupidity.

Succumbing to greed in a momentary lapse of judgement hurts no one but the person who committed the act. Restitution, loss of employment, a potential criminal record and having to explain to his kids why Daddy won't be "racing the truck" anymore (as well as the bashing he has received here) are punishment enough IMO.

[browniehound]

I say TROLL also, so stop feeding him, lol! I can't resist to feed him though. Stealing is immoral to begin with but ABSOLUTELY STUPID if its not worth anything and you risk a 20-year career because of it.

Heck, I'm afraid to take a 2-day old newspaper from the office building lobby on my route. It has someones name on it so it would be stealing. Its worth 50 cents but I think UPS can get you on this. At this point the newspaper is probably trash but who determines that? Am I being too paranoid about this?

If you are going to steal something, make sure what you take will allow you to retire 3 times over. Other than that, leave other people's stuff alone.

[john346]

Back to classic movie quotes.


"Stupid is as Stupid does."

Sounds like your life is being educated now though. Good luck.

[plurhugs]

Ever hear the phrase... Don't bite the hand that feeds?

This guys actions and the thousands of other Ups employees that have chosen to steal phones, Ipods ect. from our customers is the reason at our hub...we have to pass through metal detectors entering and exiting. We can no longer bring our cellphones in to work either.

I work midnight shift...I have a diabetic husband & three kids to worry about at work. They can't contact me in case of emergency. *sigh*

[over9five]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

Succumbing to greed in a momentary lapse of judgement hurts no one but the person who committed the act.

I disagree. This thief has hurt the customer who had his package pilfered, the customer who shipped the package, AND damaged our companys reputation. This thief has hurt every one of UPSs hard-working honest employees.

What if he stole something from one of our HUGE shippers, who then decided because of the theft to divert their volume? What if this led to jobs being discontinued? (Four feeder drivers forced back to package, 4 package drivers forced inside, you know the downward spiral) Wouldn't those employees be hurt too? "Sorry kids, I no longer have a job at UPS, because of some thief a thousand miles away".

Zero tolerance. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I don't want him working here.

[over9five]

Originally Posted by plurhugs

I work midnight shift...I have a diabetic husband & three kids to worry about at work. They can't contact me in case of emergency. *sigh*

C'mon! They can call the building and someone will tell you (as soon as your shift is over...)

[over9five]

Good first post, Plurhugs! Welcome to BrownCafe.

[drewed]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

You have got to be kidding me? You are comparing the momentary lapse of judgement on spicy's part to the mindset of a drunk driver. The two couldn't be further apart and to compare them is just plain stupid. I do apologize for your loss and have no idea what you have been and are going through but your view on this has been changed in a personal and permanent way thus leading to this flawed comparison.

Drunk drivers deserve everything they get and more. I firmly believe that, in addition to whatever sentence they receive, they should be made to go to the family of the victim(s) and apologize for their stupidity.

Succumbing to greed in a momentary lapse of judgement hurts no one but the person who committed the act. Restitution, loss of employment, a potential criminal record and having to explain to his kids why Daddy won't be "racing the truck" anymore (as well as the bashing he has received here) are punishment enough IMO.

Its a fair comparison in that the point of it was, one mistake can ruin your life. It wouldnt be a fair comparison in that he was comparing severity of the offense.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by over9five

I disagree. This thief has hurt the customer who had his package pilfered, the customer who shipped the package, AND damaged our companys reputation. This thief has hurt every one of UPSs hard-working honest employees.

What if he stole something from one of our HUGE shippers, who then decided because of the theft to divert their volume? What if this led to jobs being discontinued? (Four feeder drivers forced back to package, 4 package drivers forced inside, you know the downward spiral) Wouldn't those employees be hurt too? "Sorry kids, I no longer have a job at UPS, because of some thief a thousand miles away".

Zero tolerance. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I don't want him working here.

Good point, Over. I didn't think of it from that angle.

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by plurhugs

Ever hear the phrase... Don't bite the hand that feeds?

This guys actions and the thousands of other Ups employees that have chosen to steal phones, Ipods ect. from our customers is the reason at our hub...we have to pass through metal detectors entering and exiting. We can no longer bring our cellphones in to work either.


Understand this point, but stealing isn't the only reason UPS has guards and metal detectors.


I work midnight shift...I have a diabetic husband & three kids to worry about at work. They can't contact me in case of emergency. *sigh*

If you're really that worried, I'd suggest you get someone else to look after your kids. I understand that Diabetes is a serious condition, but you worrying isn't going to change a thing. This issue needs to be addressed or else you'll be far from 100% at work. If you don't give your all at work, isn't that sort of like stealing from the company also? jmho

[trickpony1]

plurhugs-
pagers are relatively cheap.
Buy one with a years service and keep the receipt in your pocket.
As someone else said, don't depend on management to inform you of an emergency until your shift is over and you're clocked out.

[soberups]

I guess I am guilty of stealing from UPS also. On my desk sits a jar with at least 10 brown pens in it, and there is probably also a brown pen in every drawer of my house. I also have an impressive collection of thin, scribbled on, nearly-empty Delivery Notice pads on the shelf in my laundry room. I've lost track of how many Delivery Notices I have turned into soggy, fuzzy balls by forgetting to remove them from my shirt pockets before I throw them in the washing machine....so I guess we can add "destruction of UPS property" to my list of offenses. I hope Loss Prevention doesnt find out who I am and kick my door down.

[brownmonster]

You can steal from UPS. Just don't steal from our customers. I see employees at all levels that have been stealing a paycheck for years.

[Johney]

Originally Posted by brownmonster

I see employees at all levels that have been stealing a paycheck for years.

Now that's funny.

[soberups]

Originally Posted by brownmonster

You can steal from UPS. Just don't steal from our customers. I see employees at all levels that have been stealing a paycheck for years.

And a few of them are even hourly!

[705red]

Originally Posted by plurhugs

Ever hear the phrase... Don't bite the hand that feeds?

This guys actions and the thousands of other Ups employees that have chosen to steal phones, Ipods ect. from our customers is the reason at our hub...we have to pass through metal detectors entering and exiting. We can no longer bring our cellphones in to work either.

I work midnight shift...I have a diabetic husband & three kids to worry about at work. They can't contact me in case of emergency. *sigh*

Everyone that i know at ups has received a property pass and are allowed to have cell phones while at work. Especially in a serious case as yours, contact your union if ups refuses to allow you to carry your cell.

[Braveheart]

You have very little chance at coming back as it is a cardinal sin. They had every right to fire you. File a grievance. There is a tiny chance that if you were a good driver with nothing else to speak of that you may come back. You would be out for 6 months to a year at least. Even if you come back it would be with no back pay, loss of all reports, loss of vacation, loss of pension credit and it would be strike 2 level of suspension. I would get another job and start over. If you borrowed a cell phone battery as to call the office and returned it maybe you would have more compassion from everyone. But you stole and that is wrong.

[dannyboy]

braveheart

big mistake taking it to the panel. they will fire you for stealing, an that will become a perm part of your work record. that is why ups offered the thief to just quit. although that speaks volumes to the next employer as well, why would a sane man quit a 100 grand a year job to come work for me, especially one that has 20 years in.

best thing to do is to quit wasting time on this site and get a job, you gonna need it.

d

[outta hours]

Troll, me thinks

[drewed]

Originally Posted by Braveheart

If you borrowed a cell phone battery as to call the office and returned it maybe you would have more compassion from.

Well not from me, thats just as bad as stealing, its pilfering through packages, UPS doesnt condone it at all even if its to call the office.

[moontheloon1982]

I'm sorry buddy but you don't have a chance at getting your job back. Like someone eluded to before, monetary value is as irrelevant in this matter as your squeeky clean prior track record. It's pretty hard to be terminated outright, but one way to guarantee you'll be shown the door is doing what you did. They wouldn't let you back to clean the toilets nevermind handle packages. Also, I'm sorry but I dont believe your claim that this was an isolated incident. I, like most people (i hope), was taught at a very young age that you don't take things that don't belong to you.It's a very simple concept really, but you either follow it or you don't...there are no in-betweens. But the real injustice is when honest people have to be treated like thieves every time a package is legitimitely lost in the system. If everyone thought it was ok to steal once in a while, if you're sure you won't get caught, the whole damn system would break down. Misdelivering a package to Green St instead of Green Ave. is a mistake, whereas you made a concious decision to be a lowly thief. Theres a reason why they used to take the hand of the offender by way of the axe...to let people know just how serious it is. Be grateful they didnt press charges, because if it were my decision I would have had the cops haul your ass out in front of everybody just to add a little more humiliation to the deal.

[dannyboy]

let me throw one more bit of info your way.

in my many years as an employee, and many as a shop steward, a story like yours is not usually true.

what is seen instead is someone who for many years has taken items from ups for personal use (the way you said it) see, you cant even call it what it is, stealing. and that is what makes me lean towards this issue with you.

i suspect you have a long history of stealing things, and this happens to be the only one that ups can prove beyond doubt. your problem is that you have never had to face the fact that you are a thief, pure and simple.

i dont buy for a minute that a solid citizen, a driver of 20 years all of a sudden one day decides to open a package and steal. sorry, dont happen that way in real life.

my guess is that you have a large number of items you have stolen from ups over the 20 years. things you could have bought, but stealing is a thrill for you.

and only when you get caught is there a lame i took something for my personal use excuse.

sorry, you might take a two-wheeler home for the weekend for personal use, but you opened a package and stole, and dont even have the guts to face that fact.

pathetic

d

[moontheloon1982]

On a lighter note, my first visit to the cafe this afternoon did teach me at least a couple interesting things. Maybe the most surprising was that it was actually the Germans who bombed Pearl Harbor. Let's see, what else...oh, apparently cell phones CAN indeed be traced should they be stolen; Who knew?
I even got a nice little refresher course on fractions and "lowest common denominators".

[drewed]

like i said im sure theres more to it....
like they customer saw one was missing he came in with a different phone coincidence it was the same type