Ridiculous Grievance Panel

[trickpony1]

Originally Posted by tieguy

a deadlock is three company against and three union for.

Really?
then explain how a deadlock that I was involved with had one company person and one union person.

[JonFrum]

One Union guy and his Management drinkin' buddy overslept after a night of serious bar hoppin' and missed your hearing.

The other Union guy and his Management buddy had to appear at their araignment. Something about an altercation the previous night in the strip club parking lot.

[big_arrow_up]

If management would just stop violating the contract then none of this BS would be happening. Yes, I know there are also bogus grievances too but if we stick to the clear violations then we all know how serious this is. Don't sign the contract if you don't intend to honor it!

[Braveheart]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

I downloaded the Grievance Panel decisions off of makeupsdeliver.com and it is very clear how the company has little regard or respect for the contract. The long list of deadlocked cases speaks for itself but one caught my eye......


"Chair McCabe called Case N-193-09: Local 177 v. UPS, Hillside, NJ
On behalf of all affected
employees, Union alleges that
the Company violated Article 37
and Article 18. The Company’s
decision to keep Manager **** in its Package operations
whereby he has constant contact
with bargaining unit employees,
has placed the safety and well-
being of all employees in
serious jeopardy. *** has
demonstrated a history of
inappropriate and violent
behavior which culminated in
him smacking two drivers in the
back of their head.
DECISION: Based on the facts presented, case is DEADLOCKED. "

Deadlocked? You've got to be kidding me!

How can it be deadlocked? Why can't the union get this one through?

There were many that were "no violation" that means our side sided with management!!!! They were clear violations too.

Wonders who's side "our" guys are on.

If we can't enforce the contract then what is the point of having one?

[trickpony1]

Originally Posted by Braveheart

How can it be deadlocked? Why can't the union get this one through?

There were many that were "no violation" that means our side sided with management!!!! They were clear violations too.

Wonders who's side "our" guys are on.

If we can't enforce the contract then what is the point of having one?

I wonder that too as I continue to piss away $18 a week for nothing.

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by trickpony1

I wonder that too as I continue to piss away $18 a week for nothing.

Expecting a perfect solution and effect is one way to look at it. Consider the alternative.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by 705red

Locally? You may be right! Nationally? As you can see if you read the results of the cases, its clear that they would rather get along, then do whats right!

Did the arbitrator list the reasons for his/her decision?

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by trickpony1

Really?
then explain how a deadlock that I was involved with had one company person and one union person.

I guess they couldn't find four more guys to sit in on your case.

Or they ran out of kleenex.

[705red]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Did the arbitrator list the reasons for his/her decision?

Tie what are you talking about? The cases we are discusiing were at a national panel. No arbitrator!

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by 705red

Tie what are you talking about? The cases we are discusiing were at a national panel. No arbitrator!

Sounds like a plan to fail.

[JonFrum]

The latest chapter in this sorry story . . .

From TDU: "The decisions from the October meeting of the National Grievance panel in San Diego are now available online.

This was the final national panel for 2009 and the results for UPS Teamsters on the critical issues of excessive overtime and full-time combo job elimination were grim.

Seventeen locals brought cases to the panel charging UPS with eliminating full-time combo jobs and refusing to put those jobs up for bid in violation of Article 22.3 of the contract. Every single one of the cases was postponed.

Sixty-five 9.5 violation cases were brought to the panel— totaling 25 percent of the 36 page docket. Outside of Oakland Local 70, the panel ruled in favor of working Teamsters on a 9.5 issue in just one case.

In 16 cases coming out of Local 70— the company was ordered to comply with 9.5 language. These cases involved instances where UPS was settling 9.5 violations but never fixing the underlying problem of the affected drivers’ load."

http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/news.php

National Grievance Panel Decisions, October 2009:
http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/e107_f...ber-2009-2.pdf

National Grievance Panel Docket, October 2009:
http://tdu.org/files/National%20Octo...nda%202009.pdf

National Grievance Panel Decisions, June 2009:
http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/e107_f..._june_2009.pdf

National Grievance Panel Docket, June 2009:
http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/e107_f...t-june2009.pdf

Joint National Air Comittee Docket, June 2009:
http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/e107_f...r-june2009.pdf

National Grievance Panel Decisions, February 2009:
http://tdu.org/files/ngcminutes-feb09.pdf

National Grievance Panel Docket, February 2009:
http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/e107_f...nalfeb2009.pdf

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

Originally Posted by JonFrum

The latest chapter in this sorry story . . .


National Grievance Panel Decisions, October 2009:
http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/e107_f...ber-2009-2.pdf

National Grievance Panel Docket, October 2009:
http://tdu.org/files/National%20Octo...nda%202009.pdf

National Grievance Panel Decisions, June 2009:
http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/e107_f..._june_2009.pdf

National Grievance Panel Docket, June 2009:
http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/e107_f...t-june2009.pdf

Joint National Air Comittee Docket, June 2009:
http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/e107_f...r-june2009.pdf

National Grievance Panel Decisions, February 2009:
http://tdu.org/files/ngcminutes-feb09.pdf

National Grievance Panel Docket, February 2009:
http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/e107_f...nalfeb2009.pdf

Local 25 reps and stewards claimed they grieved all of the 22.3 job losses. What exactly happened to those grievances? Another of many lies if you ask me.

[dragon]

So it seems only Local 70 had a problem with 9.5's and all other center's were right on the money on how they dispatched???

[brett636]

delete me...

[brett636]

Seventeen locals brought cases to the panel charging UPS with eliminating full-time combo jobs and refusing to put those jobs up for bid in violation of Article 22.3 of the contract. Every single one of the cases was postponed.

Can I call it or what? I predicted that none of the grievances regarding 22.3s would get resolved. I fear the clock is ticking for the remaining 22.3 combo jobs, as the company hates their very existence, and the union leadership will gladly turn a blind eye to anything the company chooses to do with them.

[rocket man]

AT least we have grievance hearing go. see/ what happens at fedx. ALSO to hoaxter The dues are for you and the ones who fought and sweated it out to get the rate of pay we are at. so they can enjoy retirement. THE dues are for the bussiness agents that have to go to theses hearings leave there familys for a week at a .time . The dues are so the bussines agents when they are in town can drive to your center to protect you and me to FIGHT for our rights. If you noticed they go in there own cars not fancy rentals and if they do use a rental thats ok by me because they deserve it so please dont complain about dues . I also heard the dues are there just to piss you off.

[upsfiredme]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

I downloaded the Grievance Panel decisions off of makeupsdeliver.com and it is very clear how the company has little regard or respect for the contract. The long list of deadlocked cases speaks for itself but one caught my eye......


"Chair McCabe called Case N-193-09: Local 177 v. UPS, Hillside, NJ
On behalf of all affected
employees, Union alleges that
the Company violated Article 37
and Article 18. The Company’s
decision to keep Manager **** in its Package operations
whereby he has constant contact
with bargaining unit employees,
has placed the safety and well-




being of all employees in
serious jeopardy. *** has
demonstrated a history of
inappropriate and violent
behavior which culminated in
him smacking two drivers in the
back of their head.
DECISION: Based on the facts presented, case is DEADLOCKED. "

Deadlocked? You've got to be kidding me!

look what they did to after what I been up against

[thelus]

Red is right there is at least one local **cough**705***cough*** that is winning in its panel. UPS now has to fire people and have a damn good reason for it else that person will be back within a couple of weeks due to expedited arbitration and a 5th man at panel. i've seen the company get (expletive delete) at panel by the 5th man. and i laugh because the company has to play by the rules here. i honestly think management here hasn't figured out that there is this sitting arbitrator on the panel yet and get confused when they fire someone and hes back at work a few weeks later with back pay. It shows when you have a good strong contract and people to enforce it management gets scared and get desparate. It's really starting to show here

[brownrodster]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

The over 9.5 grievances are what bugs me. I wish every extended center and every center in all of the hubs would see all of their drivers get on the over 9.5 lists. The panels would be flooded with grievances.

I don't want to work less than 9.5 hours a day. I happily go and take work from other drivers everynight who will be out longer than 9.5.

[trickpony1]

Originally Posted by thelus

Red is right there is at least one local **cough**705***cough*** that is winning in its panel. UPS now has to fire people and have a damn good reason for it else that person will be back within a couple of weeks due to expedited arbitration and a 5th man at panel. i've seen the company get (expletive delete) at panel by the 5th man. and i laugh because the company has to play by the rules here. i honestly think management here hasn't figured out that there is this sitting arbitrator on the panel yet and get confused when they fire someone and hes back at work a few weeks later with back pay. It shows when you have a good strong contract and people to enforce it management gets scared and get desparate. It's really starting to show here

I could be wrong but I think locals 705 and 710 are "UPS only" locals and are also located in the stronghold, and heart, of Teamsters stomping grounds (chicago).

Hence they can afford, and are afforded, the sitting arbitrator and expedited proceedings.

Try belonging to a little piss ant local that also represents carhaul, freight, grocery and whatever else. Winning a simple grievance is a rarity. The difficult ones you can forget about.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by JonFrum

From TDU . . .

" . . . In four days of hearings, the highest UPS grievance body under the contract ruled in favor of the union just four times. The company won 13 cases outright. Another 42 cases were deadlocked. An incredible 78 cases were postponed.

I didn't count the cases but I did read through them. Just of the top of my head it looks like the union had at least 10 article 37 cases working over 9.5 that were ruled in their favor? not sure why tdu is only counting 4 as victories?

I went back in and did a quick count. Looks like 26 and a half rulings in favor of the union? The half being the one either or ruling listed.