being asked to work off the clock - Brown Cafe

babsjean · 08-14-2009, 05:48 PM

I usually ask my sup if he needs me to do anything else before I punch out and he says "your all set" I punch out and then he will ask me to do some minor task that takes all of 2 minutes. I do it but it pisses me off. Can a sup do this? Do I have to comply?

cachsux · 08-14-2009, 05:52 PM

Once your off the clock you`re free to go. If he thinks off something after you punch have him punch you back in. Do you have to comply? Only if your on the clock.

hurricanegunner · 08-14-2009, 06:09 PM

You don't have to comply no matter how minor the task is. Your time is yours. Enjoy.

upsguy72 · 08-14-2009, 07:13 PM

next time he ask you to do something after you punched out say sorry I just punch out and leave.

brownrodster · 08-14-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by babsjean

I usually ask my sup if he needs me to do anything else before I punch out and he says "your all set" I punch out and then he will ask me to do some minor task that takes all of 2 minutes. I do it but it pisses me off. Can a sup do this? Do I have to comply?

I fail to acknowledge UPS managements existence when I'm off the clock. Just walk away and ignore him.

christian c · 08-14-2009, 10:36 PM

I go to the bathroom and take an on the clock dump at the end of each shift which puts me a few minutes into overtime. I'm so scandalous.

City Driver · 08-15-2009, 04:59 AM

this isnt as cut and dry as it sounds

theres been a time or two where i have punched out, and on my way out my supervisor will call me over and ask me to help somebody lift something heavy, or something like that, and i do it if its something that minor, cuz my supervisor is a good guy

i know alot of people will disagree with it, and i know its kind of dangerous to do because if i was to strain my back at that time it would be a big deal because i was off the clock

over9five · 08-15-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by babsjean

I usually ask my sup if he needs me to do anything else before I punch out and he says "your all set" I punch out and then he will ask me to do some minor task that takes all of 2 minutes. I do it but it pisses me off. Can a sup do this? Do I have to comply?

I would say, "No, I'm all set".

raceanoncr · 08-15-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by babsjean

Can a sup do this? Do I have to comply?

Sure they can. They can ASK you to work off the clock.

Do you HAVE to comply? Not if you're on the clock. You're done. Simple.

BUT, how far do you wanna take it? If it's only 2 min out of your time maybe you want to do it. Maybe not. You wanna keep peace or you wanna be on the radar all the time. It's up to you.

Me? They know better than to get me to do anything off the clock. There's no argument, no hassle, no problem. But they keep on tryin, even if it's a little 15 second review before I punch in.

There have been and are going to continue to have arguments here and elsewhere as to what you should and shouldn't do. There are rules written in policy books, in contract books, in simple past procedures. How far do you want to take it.

My take? You give em 2 minutes off the clock today, tomorrow, it's gonna be 5 minutes, next week, ten minutes and on and on.

Read various posts on this forum and you'll find many P/Ters and F/Ters that are more than happy to do things off the clock, mainly to help themselves and then wonder why they get it broke off in their arse when there is a problem or get more stops or are forced to do more. So, just consider how much you want to be a "good guy" or how much you want to hold the company's feet to the fire.

tworavens · 08-15-2009, 09:12 AM

When I walked into the office yesterday, my supe wanted me read and sign the new procedures for Blockbuster Video. I said, "Oh, do you want me to clock in early?" He looks at me and says, "Are you serious?" I just smiled, he shook his head and walked away.

That didn't make up for them sending me out 30 stops over max, though...

orangputeh · 08-16-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by babsjean

I usually ask my sup if he needs me to do anything else before I punch out and he says "your all set" I punch out and then he will ask me to do some minor task that takes all of 2 minutes. I do it but it pisses me off. Can a sup do this? Do I have to comply?

lots of good advice here.

you have to decide if you want to be a kiss-ass or a man?

UpstateNYUPSer · 08-16-2009, 05:01 PM

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lots of good advice here.

you have to decide if you want to be a kiss-ass or a man?

If helping out when asked makes someone a kiss ass then please send me some lip balm. I have been asked on several occasions to deliver a LIB on my way home. Have always said yes. Does that make me less of a man?

bubsdad · 08-16-2009, 08:09 PM

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If helping out when asked makes someone a kiss ass then please send me some lip balm. I have been asked on several occasions to deliver a LIB on my way home. Have always said yes. Does that make me less of a man?

Doesn't make you less of a man, in my opinion. I don't know what LIB is, but if it is work you should be compensated. What would happen if you were delivering this and something happened? Think your supe would step up and say you were doing him a favor? Highly unlikely. You can tell me about how good your supes are but when the fat's about to hit the fire they are going to do what they have to do to cover their arse.

evilleace · 08-16-2009, 08:58 PM

LIB=Left in Building

Tony31yrs · 08-17-2009, 06:41 AM

Just say NO!!!!

orangputeh · 08-17-2009, 10:57 AM

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If helping out when asked makes someone a kiss ass then please send me some lip balm. I have been asked on several occasions to deliver a LIB on my way home. Have always said yes. Does that make me less of a man?

Years ago I would of agreed with you and did not mean any disrespect but this is what I have learned in many years at UPS.

If you give them an inch they will take a mile. If the supe was a friend and respected you he would tell you to get back on the clock. i;m sure you have a family and maybe extended family you have to support? What would happen if you got hurt doing them a "favor" working off the clock?

up the proverbial creek.

Management are paid a salary and have to work 100 hrs a week if need be and don't you think they may resent the fact that we are paid by the hour and don't have the same mindset? ( whatever it takes!!!) They will try to make you feel guilty if you won't do them the "favor."

This is just plain disrespect.

I still say be a man and take care of your family and follow the contract to keep it strong/ It only takes a few holes in the dike to destroy a dam.

UpstateNYUPSer · 08-17-2009, 12:20 PM

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Tony31yrs · 08-17-2009, 05:41 PM

When my kids were young and had after school activities like sports or band, I often asked for "favors" like a 9 hr day. Needless to say, I missed a lot of their activities because they couldn't get me in at a decent time while some of the runners got in at 4:30-5:00. That was when I stopped doing any favors for them off the clock. If they asked me to come to any of their pizza parties or BBQ's, I told them "Sorry, but I don't have enough time to spend with my family as it is." It was funny how they could get everyone in by 5:30 when they had something that they wanted us to go to after work that would make them look good, but sorry we can't help if you had something to do. I gave them an honest days work for an honest days wage and nothing more.

grgrcr88 · 08-17-2009, 08:10 PM

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If helping out when asked makes someone a kiss ass then please send me some lip balm. I have been asked on several occasions to deliver a LIB on my way home. Have always said yes. Does that make me less of a man?

What are you going to do when one of these deliveries on your way home comes up missing and the Sup says oh I gave that package to Upstate to deliver, He must have it, or worse he must have taken it, or any number of things that could happen along those lines.

Do you think that good guy Sup is going to take the heat or push it off on you?

If you think these guys give a damn about you then I have some ocean front property for you right here in beautiful Kansas!!!

UpstateNYUPSer · 08-18-2009, 03:50 AM

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What are you going to do when one of these deliveries on your way home comes up missing and the Sup says oh I gave that package to Upstate to deliver, He must have it, or worse he must have taken it, or any number of things that could happen along those lines.

Do you think that good guy Sup is going to take the heat or push it off on you?

If you think these guys give a damn about you then I have some ocean front property for you right here in beautiful Kansas!!!

The beauty of an Internet forum is the ability to learn from some members and ignore others. I will choose to ignore you as you clearly have no idea of the situation or what you are talking about.

raceanoncr · 08-18-2009, 07:23 AM

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If helping out when asked makes someone a kiss ass then please send me some lip balm. I have been asked on several occasions to deliver a LIB on my way home. Have always said yes. Does that make me less of a man?

Well, we need more people like you, enabling the company. We need more people helping the company avoid accountability.

Was it ME that caused that LIB to be there til, what, 1730,1830,1900, what time was it? If it was, then I should be held accountable. Somebody, somewhere dropped the ball here!

Could it be the unload supe that is supposed to visually inspect every trailer that's emptied before it leaves the door? Could it be the yard check person that supposed to visually check each and every trailer in that yard before the shift is over? Could it be the hub area shift supe that was supposed to make sure their area was clean? Could it be the preload supe that was supposed to make sure all parcels in the building were on-car? Could it be the hub manager that is supposed to make sure all his/her supes have done their job? Could it be the supes and managers that were in the building all day and could have made earlier arrangements to have this parcel delivered? On and On!

Who's held accountable for this LIB? It looks like nobody! Nothing's on paper, no harm, no foul! The management "team" comes out smelling like lilacs and roses again because we bailed them out!

What is it tomorrow? 2 LIBs? 3? We get dinged for a "missed" and WE GET DINGED! They get dinged for LIB, well, no, they didn't get dinged. We are enabling their lack of accountablity.

One of the posters brought up the scenario that what if we took that home with us in our personal car, let's see, no scan, no record, no address, no nuttin and some savvy customer gets the brilliant idea that they DIDN'T receive parcel. You fluffed it off as if he didn't know the whole story. Well, OK, I don't either! BUT! I have seen many in my years here that thought they were helping the center, hub, company only to have one incident, ONE incident, and they were gone forever! I hate to see that of anyone.

I think you've seen alot here too, but, remember, this is a corporation and if push comes to shove, you're the one that'll get shoved.

UpstateNYUPSer · 08-18-2009, 12:50 PM

Yawn.

orangputeh · 08-18-2009, 12:55 PM

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The beauty of an Internet forum is the ability to learn from some members and ignore others. I will choose to ignore you as you clearly have no idea of the situation or what you are talking about.

I was thinking almost the same thing as the other poster. What if you got in an accident while doing a delivery off the clock? and in your personal vehicle.

UpstateNYUPSer · 08-18-2009, 04:55 PM

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I was thinking almost the same thing as the other poster. What if you got in an accident while doing a delivery off the clock? and in your personal vehicle.

It would be handled in the same manner as any other accident in a personal vehicle. The fact that I am dropping off a package on the way home would not change the situation one bit as I am not on the clock and UPS would have no involvement whatsoever.

This doesn't happen very often and I understand your point(s) but I will continue to do this if asked. It's just the way I roll.

hondo · 08-19-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by orangputeh

I was thinking almost the same thing as the other poster. What if you got in an accident while doing a delivery off the clock? and in your personal vehicle.

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

It would be handled in the same manner as any other accident in a personal vehicle. The fact that I am dropping off a package on the way home would not change the situation one bit as I am not on the clock and UPS would have no involvement whatsoever.

This doesn't happen very often and I understand your point(s) but I will continue to do this if asked. It's just the way I roll.

Ask your auto insurance provider how they would handle an accident in your personal vehicle, while performing UPS work.