IE caught red handed!!!

[dilligafah]

Okay so for the last couple months I've been getting harrassed by management for my route not planning. Well they changed my route starting this last friday and it planned well (I'm a hero again...). Well over the weekend the time allowance changed and it planned less on monday morning... Well my center mgr and dispatch sup changed the allowance back to what it was friday and the same day IE called the center mgr and told them (IE) they changed the allowance and they should have not changed it back.... IE threatened to fire them for changing the allowance back so my center mgr went to the DM and he said that he didn't authorize the allowance change by IE...

Being that I was told about this by my CM and I have been getting harrassed for quite a while. Do I have a leg to stand on for filing a HR corporate complaint on IE for changing allowances without doing any kind of time study? Isn't it stealing time if they are taking the time without informing the DM,CM, or dispatch sup.... Especially the one person who is effected by there BS changes, mainly ME>>>>> I'm PISSED!!!! What if anything can I do????

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Unfortunately not a damn thing, but I hope that at least your CM does the right thing and shakes your hand and apologizes for the undue harassment.

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by dilligafah

Okay so for the last couple months I've been getting harrassed by management for my route not planning. Well they changed my route starting this last friday and it planned well (I'm a hero again...). Well over the weekend the time allowance changed and it planned less on monday morning... Well my center mgr and dispatch sup changed the allowance back to what it was friday and the same day IE called the center mgr and told them (IE) they changed the allowance and they should have not changed it back.... IE threatened to fire them for changing the allowance back so my center mgr went to the DM and he said that he didn't authorize the allowance change by IE...

Being that I was told about this by my CM and I have been getting harrassed for quite a while. Do I have a leg to stand on for filing a HR corporate complaint on IE for changing allowances without doing any kind of time study? Isn't it stealing time if they are taking the time without informing the DM,CM, or dispatch sup.... Especially the one person who is effected by there BS changes, mainly ME>>>>> I'm PISSED!!!! What if anything can I do????

The most important thing is ... don't worry about over/under allowed.
That is a management thing unless you are in a bonus center.
You can only be held accountable to a standard set by a supervisor riding with you and establishing an over/under allowed goal.

The confusing thing about your post is that the Center management can not change allowances. IE works the allowances up and puts the new allowances in the system.
The CM and Div Mgr may request/insist that the allowances be reviewed with them before implementation and that is reasonable SOP request.

Any changing of the allowances by center management is a grave offense and compromises the accountability system the center management is measured by.

[dilligafah]

My dispatch sup is authorized to change time allowance discrepancies up in IE and they changed it back to what it previously was in the recent past.

[SKAGITDRIVER]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

You can only be held accountable to a standard set by a supervisor riding with you and establishing an over/under allowed goal.
.

not even then can you be held accountable no day is the same no stop is the same I know it has been quite awhile ago that you were a driver but....

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by SKAGITDRIVER

not even then can you be held accountable no day is the same no stop is the same I know it has been quite awhile ago that you were a driver but....

I was speaking in theory.
It can be done but it is very, very hard to do.
Seen it maybe 3 times in over 30 years.

[soberups]

"Figures dont lie...but liars figure".

Just focus on doing your job the right way, and let the bean-counters fight each other like rabid dogs over how they want the numbers to look.

Be grateful for the fact that you have job security and they dont. You provide a serivice by delivering packages--all they do is manipulate statistics.

[brown bomber]

then how is it that many drivers have lost 1-2 hrs. in time without benefit of time studies........while the "glory boys", have maintained, or gained additional time allowances......UM..AH..just wondering

[atatbl]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

The confusing thing about your post is that the Center management can not change allowances.

lol. A Part Time PDS would know how to change them in their first week working with DPS. If you "locked out" (I'm assuming what you're implying is that it is "locked out") DPS' functionality would be even further diminished. The most a district could do would be to limit RACF ideas used to long onto DPS or contol their restrictions........ I can assure that if that is happening ANYWHERE it is the exception, not the rule.

[UPSSOCKS]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

Unfortunately not a damn thing, but I hope that at least your CM does the right thing and shakes your hand and apologizes for the undue harassment.

Teamsters love the word "Harassment" don't they? Is it because it's the biggest word you know or because it's your way of hiding from
scary management.

"Harassment is any physical or verbal abuse of a person because of their race, religion, age, gender, disability or any other legally protected status. Harassment in the workplace can further be clarified as any conduct that creates significant anguish to another person, with the intent to bother, scare or emotionally abuse them."

You guys don't fall into the Harassment category you fall into the Baby category. I hope you are kids. Please tell me you aren't grown adults...

[cachsux]

Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS

Teamsters love the word "Harassment" don't they? Is it because it's the biggest word you know or because it's your way of hiding from
scary management.

"Harassment is any physical or verbal abuse of a person because of their race, religion, age, gender, disability or any other legally protected status. Harassment in the workplace can further be clarified as any conduct that creates significant anguish to another person, with the intent to bother, scare or emotionally abuse them."

You guys don't fall into the Harassment category you fall into the Baby category. I hope you are kids. Please tell me you aren't grown adults...

Quit stealing Tieguys routine. He`s much better at it and doesn`t come across as a douchbag when he does it.

[UPSSOCKS]

Originally Posted by cachsux

Quit stealing Tieguys routine. He`s much better at it and doesn`t come across as a douchbag when he does it.

I don't even know who tieguy is.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS

I don't even know who tieguy is.

You aren't fit to carry his literary jockstrap.

[dilligafah]

Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS

Teamsters love the word "Harassment" don't they? Is it because it's the biggest word you know or because it's your way of hiding from
scary management.

"Harassment is any physical or verbal abuse of a person because of their race, religion, age, gender, disability or any other legally protected status. Harassment in the workplace can further be clarified as any conduct that creates significant anguish to another person, with the intent to bother, scare or emotionally abuse them."

You guys don't fall into the Harassment category you fall into the Baby category. I hope you are kids. Please tell me you aren't grown adults...

Then why is it for the first time in months I was recognized in PCM for doing such a great job for yesterdays work where I planned and scratched............. Instead of being scorned, my sparcs being pulled out, threatened by the DM, and talked down too like I have been for the last couple months... There numbers are all that matters and if you don't plan then its the drivers fault.......

Yesterday I was a ZERO and Today I'm a frickin HERO and tommorrow.... well it depends on how much IE changes my frickin allowances again!!!!!!
Soooooo Fyou UPS DIRTY AZZ SOCKS!!!!

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by atatbl

lol. A Part Time PDS would know how to change them in their first week working with DPS. If you "locked out" (I'm assuming what you're implying is that it is "locked out") DPS' functionality would be even further diminished. The most a district could do would be to limit RACF ideas used to long onto DPS or contol their restrictions........ I can assure that if that is happening ANYWHERE it is the exception, not the rule.

I was not talking about changing them from an administrative point of view (system access - although that should be tight).
I was talking about if center management changed them and it was found out, they would be terminated or severe disciplinary action taken against them.
That is a form of cooking the numbers. I have been personally involved in these investigations and every time the center management team was terminated.

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by atatbl

lol. A Part Time PDS would know how to change them in their first week working with DPS. If you "locked out" (I'm assuming what you're implying is that it is "locked out") DPS' functionality would be even further diminished. The most a district could do would be to limit RACF ideas used to long onto DPS or contol their restrictions........ I can assure that if that is happening ANYWHERE it is the exception, not the rule.

It would be nice if you expanded the acronym's at least once before using them so some of us knew what you were talking about.

Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS

Teamsters love the word "Harassment" don't they? Is it because it's the biggest word you know or because it's your way of hiding from
scary management.

"Harassment is any physical or verbal abuse of a person because of their race, religion, age, gender, disability or any other legally protected status. Harassment in the workplace can further be clarified as any conduct that creates significant anguish to another person, with the intent to bother, scare or emotionally abuse them."

You guys don't fall into the Harassment category you fall into the Baby category. I hope you are kids. Please tell me you aren't grown adults...

You don't think that a Supervisor calling his employee a baby is harassment? Let me tell you something from my point of view. If you were my Supervisor and you spoke that way to me, I'd consider it harassment. Now don't get me wrong, just because you called me a baby as a form of harassing me and I reported your actions, doesn't mean we won't have "words" off of the job site.

Originally Posted by cachsux

Quit stealing Tieguys routine. He`s much better at it and doesn`t come across as a douchbag when he does it.

LOL

Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS

I don't even know who tieguy is.

Just like a rookie supe, jumping into the fray and suddenly getting pants'ed by cach.

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

I was not talking about changing them from an administrative point of view (system access - although that should be tight).
I was talking about if center management changed them and it was found out, they would be terminated or severe disciplinary action taken against them.
That is a form of cooking the numbers. I have been personally involved in these investigations and every time the center management team was terminated.

Do you wear a grim reaper outfit when you do these investigations?

[pretzel_man]

Originally Posted by atatbl

lol. A Part Time PDS would know how to change them in their first week working with DPS. If you "locked out" (I'm assuming what you're implying is that it is "locked out") DPS' functionality would be even further diminished. The most a district could do would be to limit RACF ideas used to long onto DPS or contol their restrictions........ I can assure that if that is happening ANYWHERE it is the exception, not the rule.

I'm not sure I understand??? I thought the DPS standards are downloaded automatically from GTS? I am aware of a "back door" way to edit the DPS standards (we were taught to do this for special situations). I was taught, and I don't remember how to do it.

Will a new part time DPS really know how to do that?

Something just doesn't make sense here anyway. Its easier for the PDS to just edit their planning target than to screw around with allowances. By the way, allowances are not route specific.

Why do you think not editing allowances diminishes functionality. I've personally used DPS and have never seen a need to edit allowances.

P-Man

[brownmonster]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

You aren't fit to carry his literary jockstrap.

Tieguy comes off as a fair supe you wouldn't mind dealing with day to day. We have a knob like Socks in our building. What a beauty.

[brownman15]

Originally Posted by dilligafah

Then why is it for the first time in months I was recognized in PCM for doing such a great job for yesterdays work where I planned and scratched............. Instead of being scorned, my sparcs being pulled out, threatened by the DM, and talked down too like I have been for the last couple months... There numbers are all that matters and if you don't plan then its the drivers fault.......

that is harrasment

[UPSSOCKS]

[QUOTE=stevetheupsguy;620354]
You don't think that a Supervisor calling his employee a baby is harassment? Let me tell you something from my point of view. If you were my Supervisor and you spoke that way to me, I'd consider it harassment. Now don't get me wrong, just because you called me a baby as a form of harassing me and I reported your actions, doesn't mean we won't have "words" off of the job site.

QUOTE]

Your point of view doesn't matter. You work as instructed. If you don't like it pick a door and leave. That's what I would tell you if I was your supervisor. Now don't get me wrong, I would wait for you off the job site just to watch you put your head down and ignore me. By the by you would do your job as instructed you too.

[raceanoncr]

[quote=UPSSOCKS;620740]

Your point of view doesn't matter. You work as instructed. If you don't like it pick a door and leave. That's what I would tell you if I was your supervisor.

I like this. How utterly cliche! How 70s! How goche!

"I know you are, but what am I?" "Don't let the door hit you in the ass!" "Talk to the hand!" "Whatever!" "Jerry, Jerry, Jerry"

Please more!!!!

[cachsux]

I would wait for you off the job site just to watch you put your head down and ignore me. By the by you would do your job as instructed you too.

I would give you a weeks pay for you to wait for me off site.

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

You don't think that a Supervisor calling his employee a baby is harassment? Let me tell you something from my point of view. If you were my Supervisor and you spoke that way to me, I'd consider it harassment. Now don't get me wrong, just because you called me a baby as a form of harassing me and I reported your actions, doesn't mean we won't have "words" off of the job site.

Originally Posted by UPSSOCKS

Your point of view doesn't matter. You work as instructed. If you don't like it pick a door and leave. That's what I would tell you if I was your supervisor. Now don't get me wrong, I would wait for you off the job site just to watch you put your head down and ignore me. By the by you would do your job as instructed you too.

Funny how you come on the internet and hide behind your screen name, yet try to taunt hourlies. My name is who I am, I ain't hiding, not from you or anyone. Oh, and if anyone's gonna be hanging their head, it'll be you suffering the effects of the full nelson I just let you out of. I'm sure your insurance will cover the neck brace you'll be needing, tough guy/gal.

[dragon]

They may have changed the area number. If the management team has access (which I doubt) to change the I.E. time allowance then there is about to be a show down in that building...

You cannot change any time allowances in DPS (Dispatch Package System) they are downloaded and match GTS (Global Time card System). Center Team's cannot edit allowances in GTS but you can look at your center standards there. DPS is where your center plan is made and your EDD is built.

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by dragon

They may have changed the area number. If the management team has access (which I doubt) to change the I.E. time allowance then there is about to be a show down in that building...

You cannot change any time allowances in DPS (Dispatch Package System) they are downloaded and match GTS (Global Time card System). Center Team's cannot edit allowances in GTS but you can look at your center standards there. DPS is where your center plan is made and your EDD is built.

That is what my discussions with others who are close to these systems indicated as well.
In addition, even if DPS were changed, the WOR is not affected.
If any of these allowances were changed, a report will have those changes on it.
Changes will stick out like a sore thumb.

dilligafah,
If your management did change the actual allowances in WOR or GTS, you will be reporting to a new management team soon.