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27Redfish · 10-23-2009, 09:16 PM

Why not use your option days?

brownIEman · 10-23-2009, 09:30 PM

As a member of management, I would say at this juncture, you need to evaluate your relationship with your management. If it is good, tell them what is up and arrange the days. If you worked for me, I would give you grief for trying the back door week lock in, which wound up bringing a HUGE headache to my front door that I will have to spend hours meeting with the pissed of employee, my manager, the steward, you, your buddy that tried to "hold" your week, and others. All of which for no more money. Thanks a lot pal. Then I would wish you the best of luck and schedule you off for that week, seeing as I have plenty of staffing.

If you do not have a reliable relationship with your management team, you could probably try the call in method without being terminated. Though you might piss off your management team and make yourself, um how should I put it, under closer observation and training for a while. Especially if a few days that week layoff people refuse to come in to cover your route, no one can be found, and a management person has to run it. Which of course will be grieved and they will have to pay someone to sit home.

Now, to those of you encouraging this "sick" call in when he is not sick and advising him on what terminology to use and what UPS can and cannot ask him when he does - I want to hear no more moralizing from you about management only doing what is best for themseves and ignoring the letter and intent of the contract.

overallowed · 10-23-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Theichii

would they really catch me in Hawaii? I live in Louisiana

I went to Hawaii in 2005, and ran into on of my customers off my route at the airport while I was waiting for a connecting flight. Strange, but true.

grgrcr88 · 10-23-2009, 09:38 PM

Not endorsing dishonesty here, only stating the facts. But who is to say if he really is sick or not?

MC4YOU2 · 10-23-2009, 10:01 PM

Starting your new life off by calling in 5 days one at a time would suck big time. The last thing I would want on my mind in HI on vacation, is my job at UPS, and whether it's secure knowing I just lied every day of it. Can you just imagine having to wake up early for 5 days and psych yourself up for a fake sick call. No thanks. You would be looking over your shoulder the whole time, and chances are good you'd be found out in some unforseen way.
Figure out an honest way to get it done and then enjoy your honest week off with your fiance!

Dustyroads · 10-24-2009, 06:19 AM

Where I work, if we were to call in sick for 5 days, in fact anything beyond three days, then we can be required to see the company doctor to be approved to return to work after our extended illness. At that point, one would have to choose to lie to the company doctor about the "illness".

Since we have to schedule our vacations about 9 months in advance, I would think one could pick a week to go to HI or anywhere else, without much of a problem. I think HI is open year round.

As for popping the proposal, I think your spouse-to-be would be a little concerned that you would put your job on the line by lying to the company about a non-existant illness, so you could get an extra week of vacation on a tropical island.

Honestly, I've always found it to be much easier and much more pleasant to just be honest with my management team, and when treated with that kind of respect, they usually try to accomodate special requests, such as yours. I can think of several drivers who have been in similar situations, and honesty is the best policy.

stevetheupsguy · 10-24-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MC4YOU2

Starting your new life off by calling in 5 days one at a time would suck big time. The last thing I would want on my mind in HI on vacation, is my job at UPS, and whether it's secure knowing I just lied every day of it. Can you just imagine having to wake up early for 5 days and psych yourself up for a fake sick call. No thanks. You would be looking over your shoulder the whole time, and chances are good you'd be found out in some unforseen way.
Figure out an honest way to get it done and then enjoy your honest week off with your fiance!

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Originally Posted by Dustyroads

Where I work, if we were to call in sick for 5 days, in fact anything beyond three days, then we can be required to see the company doctor to be approved to return to work after our extended illness. At that point, one would have to choose to lie to the company doctor about the "illness".

Since we have to schedule our vacations about 9 months in advance, I would think one could pick a week to go to HI or anywhere else, without much of a problem. I think HI is open year round.

As for popping the proposal, I think your spouse-to-be would be a little concerned that you would put your job on the line by lying to the company about a non-existant illness, so you could get an extra week of vacation on a tropical island.

Honestly, I've always found it to be much easier and much more pleasant to just be honest with my management team, and when treated with that kind of respect, they usually try to accomodate special requests, such as yours. I can think of several drivers who have been in similar situations, and honesty is the best policy.

Honesty and being forthright are always the best avenues. Why start the future on a lie? It will all eventually come tumbling down. Take my word because I'm a reovering LIAR and have been brutally honest for close to 20 years now.

UpstateNYUPSer · 10-24-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

Honesty and being forthright are always the best avenues. Why start the future on a lie? It will all eventually come tumbling down.

Are we talking about UPS or his bride/partner to be?

stevetheupsguy · 10-24-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

Are we talking about UPS or his bride to be?

UPS, of course. He never said there was a "BRIDE" involved and nowadays one must never assume. Afterall, he is going to HI to propose and we know how progressive they are over there.

chopstic · 10-24-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dustyroads

Where I work, if we were to call in sick for 5 days, in fact anything beyond three days, then we can be required to see the company doctor to be approved to return to work after our extended illness.

Over here, the union has made it very clear to us that UPS can not require us to use their doctor. We get to choose our own.

OVERBOARD · 10-24-2009, 09:25 AM

[QUOTE=MC4YOU2;622182]Starting your new life off by calling in 5 days one at a time would suck big time.

Here in the northeast you only have to call in sick once and call when you are reporting back to work. I've seen drivers sent home because they didn't call to say they are coming back to work even if you take one day or five days.

stevetheupsguy · 10-24-2009, 09:54 AM

[quote=OVERBOARD;622396]

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Originally Posted by MC4YOU2

Starting your new life off by calling in 5 days one at a time would suck big time.

Here in the northeast you only have to call in sick once and call when you are reporting back to work. I've seen drivers sent home because they didn't call to say they are coming back to work even if you take one day or five days.

Now I think that's going OVERBOARD!

grgrcr88 · 10-25-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

Honesty and being forthright are always the best avenues. Why start the future on a lie? It will all eventually come tumbling down. Take my word because I'm a reovering LIAR and have been brutally honest for close to 20 years now.

Ya, because all management are always honest and truthful with you!!! [insert sarcasm button here]

Dis-organized Labor · 10-25-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by grgrcr88

Ya, because all management are always honest and truthful with you!!! [insert sarcasm button here]

We refer to the Policy Book for strength

stevetheupsguy · 10-25-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by grgrcr88

Ya, because all management are always honest and truthful with you!!! [insert sarcasm button here]

LOL, I understand you, but nevertheless, honesty helps you to remain solid in a world of cheats and liars. Not pointing the finger at anyone in particular. (Sarcasm Button reused), LOL.

700 PPH · 10-26-2009, 08:55 PM

I was actually wondering the samething about this. I am in a similar situation.

I have worked in my HUB as a loader for about 7 months now and I was curious as to what would happen if I called out 3 days in a row. In my time at UPS I have already called about about 5 times probably(I did have one sick day apparently though since I got paid for my most recent sick call, to my surprise). I was planinng on taking a very short trip to London this November(before peak) to visit someone. However since I have not even been at UPS for a year yet I don't have any vacation time or option days w/e they are called.

I am not sure if I should just be honest and trying asking my full-time supervisor(who is a really nice guy and likes me a lot..not in THAT way though!) for a few days off, or just calling out 3 days in a row.

This obviously wouldnt be a big deal if I had been here a year already but since I dont have any personal option days yet I am not sure what I should do.

Any advice?..There is a good chance that I will go either way, so I just want to know what the best route to take here would be.

stevetheupsguy · 10-27-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 700 PPH

I was actually wondering the samething about this. I am in a similar situation.

I have worked in my HUB as a loader for about 7 months now and I was curious as to what would happen if I called out 3 days in a row. In my time at UPS I have already called about about 5 times probably(I did have one sick day apparently though since I got paid for my most recent sick call, to my surprise). I was planinng on taking a very short trip to London this November(before peak) to visit someone. However since I have not even been at UPS for a year yet I don't have any vacation time or option days w/e they are called.

I am not sure if I should just be honest and trying asking my full-time supervisor(who is a really nice guy and likes me a lot..not in THAT way though!) for a few days off, or just calling out 3 days in a row.

This obviously wouldnt be a big deal if I had been here a year already but since I dont have any personal option days yet I am not sure what I should do.

Any advice?..There is a good chance that I will go either way, so I just want to know what the best route to take here would be.

You kids nowadays...........sheesh. Why, when I started at UPS, I worked one straight year before I took any days off. Why is it that you young whippershnapper's have to run off everytime you get a tingle? And to make matter's woise, you want us to give you advice on how to get you out of woik.

Bryishre · 10-27-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

You kids nowadays...........sheesh. Why, when I started at UPS, I worked one straight year before I took any days off. Why is it that you young whippershnapper's have to run off everytime you get a tingle? And to make matter's woise, you want us to give you advice on how to get you out of woik.

Heck when i started in Sept of the year i started for UPS and it was time to graduate in June.They were not going to let me have the day off because of so many people taking that day off for thier kids graduation. Luckly for me it was my high school graduation so i got the day off.

Theichii · 10-29-2009, 09:18 PM

thanks for all the replies ended up talking to what felt like congress to get my vacation moved from april to the end of may/beginning of june, which was a week i could take on my own. And to whoever posted about "bride" and something about "progressive" : yes I am proposing to a female lol, you can see her in my profile picture.

chopstic · 10-30-2009, 04:58 PM

What does our contract say about calling in sick? Does it list specific sicknesses that are allowed and others that aren't? I do know that we are not required to disclose whatever we are sick with. Maybe I'm "sick" of work, maybe my car broke down, maybe I have a life-threatening illness, it doesn't really matter what it is. The only way it will be dishonest is if you attempt to explain why you are sick... so just DONT give them an explanation, you are NOT required to.

And the Doctors note requirement is misunderstood. You may be required to obtain a doctor's note, but that note is not to prove you were sick. The note is only to prove you are in good enough health to work. In fact... I could go in to my doctor right now and produce a note that says I am in good enough physical health to work at UPS, and I haven't been sick in over a year

stevetheupsguy · 10-30-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Theichii

thanks for all the replies ended up talking to what felt like congress to get my vacation moved from april to the end of may/beginning of june, which was a week i could take on my own. And to whoever posted about "bride" and something about "progressive" : yes I am proposing to a female lol, you can see her in my profile picture.

That was me. That's a very nice picture of you and the future Mrs Theichii. I wish you very many happy years together. Oh, and congratulations on being honest and upfront, even if it did mean going before Congress.

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Originally Posted by chopstic

What does our contract say about calling in sick? Does it list specific sicknesses that are allowed and others that aren't? I do know that we are not required to disclose whatever we are sick with. Maybe I'm "sick" of work, maybe my car broke down, maybe I have a life-threatening illness, it doesn't really matter what it is. The only way it will be dishonest is if you attempt to explain why you are sick... so just DONT give them an explanation, you are NOT required to.

And the Doctors note requirement is misunderstood. You may be required to obtain a doctor's note, but that note is not to prove you were sick. The note is only to prove you are in good enough health to work. In fact... I could go in to my doctor right now and produce a note that says I am in good enough physical health to work at UPS, and I haven't been sick in over a year

Well said, chopstic!

QKRSTKR · 10-31-2009, 07:35 AM

Well I'm glad you got the week. I just think it was wrong to ask a senior driver to hold a week for you. Senority is for a reason, and HI is open year round. Ever hear of winter vacations? Usually not a problem to get.

As far as calling in, in the Central States, we do only call in once. Need to call back in to let them know you are coming back to work. 3 days or more you need a doctors note.