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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5331600" data-attributes="member: 24302">Looked it up.  A fluttering can be detected with ultrasound around 5 weeks, A heartbeat at 6.5-7 weeks, and the structures that make up the heart are fully formed at 9 weeks.  I think the states who want to cut off abortions at 12-14 weeks are probably in the right ballpark.  Babies born prematurely often survive so when you get to 4 months or so you're literally killing a viable child.  I saw your response about to just before birth.  That's a fully formed baby.  And liberals pushing for that was a major catalyst behind getting Roe overturned.  But it gets back to why would a raped woman carry a child any length of time?  There are meds taken within a certain time after the rape that will stop pregnancy.</blockquote>