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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5749324" data-attributes="member: 24302">As DIDO pointed out there are organizations that counsel women on options other than abortion and provide health services and adoption access.&nbsp; Abortion advocates hate them with a passion.&nbsp; They aren&#039;t interested in alternatives to abortion.&nbsp; They want no restrictions on abortion.&nbsp; No compromises.&nbsp; You said 20 weeks is reasonable.&nbsp; That&#039;s 5 months.&nbsp; There&#039;s a heartbeat, there&#039;s pain felt.&nbsp; If you truly want compromise then try to see our point.&nbsp; If abortion is allowed then it has to be before a heartbeat is detected.&nbsp; Before pain is felt.&nbsp; If you kill anything, like in hunting, or in capital punishment, don&#039;t you want to be as merciful as possible when ending life?&nbsp; A baby isn&#039;t a convicted murderer, it&#039;s an innocent being who did no wrong.&nbsp; Every possible way to prevent it suffering should be taken.I once watched the former governor of Virginia, who was a doctor, say that if the baby survived an abortion attempt and was born alive, and its mother wanted it aborted, the baby should be made comfortable on a table, then no further assistance given until it expired.&nbsp; Now that is a baby that is alive outside the womb.&nbsp; How is that not murder?&nbsp; Not to mention the doctor would violate his oath to do no harm.&nbsp; This is what abortion rights advocates have stooped to.&nbsp; Putting their own desires above the health and safety of unborn, and even born, children.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 5749324, member: 24302"] As DIDO pointed out there are organizations that counsel women on options other than abortion and provide health services and adoption access. Abortion advocates hate them with a passion. They aren't interested in alternatives to abortion. They want no restrictions on abortion. No compromises. You said 20 weeks is reasonable. That's 5 months. There's a heartbeat, there's pain felt. If you truly want compromise then try to see our point. If abortion is allowed then it has to be before a heartbeat is detected. Before pain is felt. If you kill anything, like in hunting, or in capital punishment, don't you want to be as merciful as possible when ending life? A baby isn't a convicted murderer, it's an innocent being who did no wrong. Every possible way to prevent it suffering should be taken. I once watched the former governor of Virginia, who was a doctor, say that if the baby survived an abortion attempt and was born alive, and its mother wanted it aborted, the baby should be made comfortable on a table, then no further assistance given until it expired. Now that is a baby that is alive outside the womb. How is that not murder? Not to mention the doctor would violate his oath to do no harm. This is what abortion rights advocates have stooped to. Putting their own desires above the health and safety of unborn, and even born, children. [/QUOTE]

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