22.4 layoffs

[Brownslave688]

So in the past when vacations or volume was low RPCD get laid off and double shift for their 8. Can this be done with 22.4?

I thought I had heard 22.4 were to be given 8 consecutive hours or maybe it was like 22.3 and 1.5 hour break tops? Either way here we have about 8 hours between shifts.

 

[NAHimGOOD]

Whatchu saying broski?

Try laying off mafia and we'll go @Powder up this joint

 

[newbie777]

So in the past when vacations or volume was low RPCD get laid off and double shift for their 8. Can this be done with 22.4?

I thought I had heard 22.4 were to be given 8 consecutive hours or maybe it was like 22.3 and 1.5 hour break tops? Either way here we have about 8 hours between shifts.

You are guaranteed 8 hours five consecutive days. I’m friend they lay us off from driving we go into the hub. Pay doesn’t change.

 

[Brownslave688]

You are guaranteed 8 hours five consecutive days. I’m friend they lay us off from driving we go into the hub. Pay doesn’t change.

Right but the hubs have consecutive shifts correct?

 

[MyTripisCut]

Right but the hubs have consecutive shifts correct?

Most 22.4s here work preload then drive. A lot of times they just end up working preload and going home. They know they are guaranteed 8 but have no desire to work from 4am til close to 6 pm. It’s all a joke at this point. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard of supplements that don’t allow them to work preload, @542thruNthru i believe it was yours. This would alleviate many problems here.

 

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I thought I had heard 22.4 were to be given 8 consecutive hours or maybe it was like 22.3 and 1.5 hour break tops? Either way here we have about 8 hours between shifts.

Well that's what the contract says... For what that's worth...

 

[542thruNthru]

So in the past when vacations or volume was low RPCD get laid off and double shift for their 8. Can this be done with 22.4?

I thought I had heard 22.4 were to be given 8 consecutive hours or maybe it was like 22.3 and 1.5 hour break tops? Either way here we have about 8 hours between shifts.

This is the loop hole that the company has found that needs to be fixed.

You are correct that a 22.4 is guaranteed 8 hours and yes the language says no more than a 1.5 hour gap between shifts. The issue is that once they are "laid off" they are no longer under that language. The company then follows your supplemental layoff language.

I don't know what yours says but mine says they can either replace 1 pt position or 2 pt positions. There is nothing about gaps in the layoff language. Also they would go to the pt pay rate that their seniority dictates. So if they were hired off the street as a 22.4 and only have a year. They'll make $15 an hour.

 

[542thruNthru]

Most 22.4s here work preload then drive. A lot of times they just end up working preload and going home. They know they are guaranteed 8 but have no desire to work from 4am til close to 6 pm. It’s all a joke at this point. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard of supplements that don’t allow them to work preload, @542thruNthru i believe it was yours. This would alleviate many problems here.

You remember correctly.

It alleviates the problem but not if they are laid off. I believe @tech209 knows this issue. The LA area during the pandemic was laying off 22.4s and they were being sent back into the building for less money.

 

[PT Car Washer]

This is the loop hole that the company has found that needs to be fixed.

You are correct that a 22.4 is guaranteed 8 hours and yes the language says no more than a 1.5 hour gap between shifts. The issue is that once they are "laid off" they are no longer under that language. The company then follows your supplemental layoff language.

I don't know what yours says but mine says they can either replace 1 pt position or 2 pt positions. There is nothing about gaps in the layoff language. Also they would go to the pt pay rate that their seniority dictates. So if they were hired off the street as a 22.4 and only have a year. They'll make $15 an hour.

Our Supplement goes further and says the FT must have more company seniority to replace a PT Union member.

 

[542thruNthru]

Our Supplement goes further and says the FT must have more company seniority to replace a PT Union member.

Ours is least senior employee.

 

[Brownslave688]

You remember correctly.
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It alleviates the problem but not if they are laid off. I believe @tech209 knows this issue. The LA area during the pandemic was laying off 22.4s and they were being sent back into the building for less money.

Yeah that’s kind of BS considering inside work is their job description. At least most places

 

[PT Car Washer]

Yeah that’s kind of BS considering inside work is their job description. At least most places

In some building the inside starting rate could be higher then their driving rate. If they are eligible for the market rate adjustment.

 

[542thruNthru]

Yeah that’s kind of BS considering inside work is their job description. At least most places

The driving only is BS or the layoff stuff?

 

[Brownslave688]

The driving only is BS or the layoff stuff?

Layoff. At least not in the west. You’re laid off and not getting your pay but still doing what was considered part of your job before

 

[newbie777]

Layoff. At least not in the west. You’re laid off and not getting your pay but still doing what was considered part of your job before

Yeah I didn’t know any of that. I thought because part of our position was warehouse our pay would be protected. So we just get ed every way. Supervisor tried telling me last week our seniority does not matter at all. Im in the west also.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Yeah I didn’t know any of that. I thought because part of our position was warehouse our pay would be protected. So we just get *ed every way. Supervisor tried telling me last week our seniority does not matter at all. Im in the west also.

Seniority counts for vacation picks and job bids.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

Are you asking to help the 22.4s out or do people believe they are getting the better end of the deal? 22.4s should be getting a consecutive 8 hours. Preload and libs, shuttle work, misloads, helping 9.5 drivers. Or preload and cleaning up the building. The 22.4s should be filing if they aren't getting a straight 8, let the panel decide what happens next. They might even decide 22.4s are entitled to the pt am air work if full time seniority trumps pt in the local. Worst case scenario they are forced to double shift preload and hub or local sort and tell them to rape ups for every hour possible. Non the less the last people leaving preload in the AM should be the 22.4s

 

[burrheadd]

This is the loop hole that the company has found that needs to be fixed.

You are correct that a 22.4 is guaranteed 8 hours and yes the language says no more than a 1.5 hour gap between shifts. The issue is that once they are "laid off" they are no longer under that language. The company then follows your supplemental layoff language.

I don't know what yours says but mine says they can either replace 1 pt position or 2 pt positions. There is nothing about gaps in the layoff language. Also they would go to the pt pay rate that their seniority dictates. So if they were hired off the street as a 22.4 and only have a year. They'll make $15 an hour.

Who negotiated that? Hope they got something worthwhile for it

 

[newbie777]

Seniority counts for vacation picks and job bids.

I know this, I told him this. Also, I told him that seniority counts on Saturday with 22.4 and route selection. The steward helped me sort all that out

 

[charm299]

I know this, I told him this. Also, I told him that seniority counts on Saturday with 22.4 and route selection. The steward helped me sort all that out

What did steward say about Saturday route selection?