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<blockquote data-quote="OLDMAN3" data-source="post: 1371351">So, you can see my point but you wont agree or disagree that it is unethical to deprive kids of having their dads home for a few hours? I thought you actually believed in doing the right thing. Take a stand either way. Is it ethical or not? Yep, I thought so, it is not about ethics and morality at all for you...just spreading the company line. Do you realize how many injuries are the result of fatigue and over use/stress upon joints, ligaments and muscles?As to your assertion that this is nothing new and we all signed up for this...&nbsp; &nbsp; When I started driving 25+ years ago the average planned day was 8.5 hours and we started at 8:10 AM. Punching out after 6 PM was rare, usually only during peak season. By the way, peak season was contractually, and in reality only from Thanksgiving till Christmas back then. Now it is contractually from Nov. 1 to two full weeks into January, and for many peak season is now actually year round.There is no question the excessive dispatch is purposeful, our District Manager admitted this and explained that UPS simply makes more money by working fewer drivers longer hours than putting more cars on the street.So is it ethical, moral, or safety minded to force drivers to work excessive overtime and deprive them of family time?Have some integrity and answer the question honestly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OLDMAN3, post: 1371351"] So, you can see my point but you wont agree or disagree that it is unethical to deprive kids of having their dads home for a few hours? I thought you actually believed in doing the right thing. Take a stand either way. Is it ethical or not? Yep, I thought so, it is not about ethics and morality at all for you...just spreading the company line. Do you realize how many injuries are the result of fatigue and over use/stress upon joints, ligaments and muscles? As to your assertion that this is nothing new and we all signed up for this... When I started driving 25+ years ago the average planned day was 8.5 hours and we started at 8:10 AM. Punching out after 6 PM was rare, usually only during peak season. By the way, peak season was contractually, and in reality only from Thanksgiving till Christmas back then. Now it is contractually from Nov. 1 to two full weeks into January, and for many peak season is now actually year round. There is no question the excessive dispatch is purposeful, our District Manager admitted this and explained that UPS simply makes more money by working fewer drivers longer hours than putting more cars on the street. So is it ethical, moral, or safety minded to force drivers to work excessive overtime and deprive them of family time? Have some integrity and answer the question honestly. [/QUOTE]

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