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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 951741" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I don't need 911 to think that because I already do but then I think the same thing of Obama and <a href="http://www.salon.com/2012/03/14/obamas_personal_role_in_a_journalists_imprisonment/singleton/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">here's just one more reason why</span></a> that I think that way of him as well.</p><p></p><p>To your former point about looking at the facts and having an open, honest discussion, I agree. But sadly the power of the state forbids such things as it threatens the State's very existence if it allowed this to happen. Even transparency itself would completely undermine it's illusion of being a benefit and necessary to good quality of life. Such conversations could lead to people working together so solve problems on the local level and create (recreate) the idea of community and small scale which ironically is the bedrock of what was Jeffersonian democracy. In such society, topdown dominance becomes problematic if not impossible and the use of fear tactics are almost impossible because the means of life and it's quality become localized and in control of the local population and therefore threats have to be very real ie fact based and transparent instead of abstract ie theoretical and shadowy to get people to react. Otherwise they laugh and continue onward in their daily lives.</p><p></p><p>But also let's pose this question since 911 moved our nation onto a warfare footing. Ponder what is said at <a href="http://money.msn.com/investing/10-companies-profiting-most-from-war" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">this link</span></a> but then consider this. This $411 billion annual amount comes directly from tax dollars extracted from the economy or is compounded with more debt forcing larger future tax extractions from the private economy. Now what if on an annual basis you left just half of that $411 billion amount in the private economy to circulate and re-circulate throughout? What might the impact be across the broader economy to the many ills that plague us today? No doubt, these 10 companies listed would be negatively effected but as these market forces are decentralized and spread back out, would market actions be far greater to the positive and the benefits spread far and wide in local markets rather than in the present form being consolidated? Think Wall Street the loser and Main Street the winner. But then this raises another question, the one we don't want to face, and that is without 911, would those profits ever have taken place at all? Thus if 911 was an economic boom..................</p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/2012/dontgosmiley.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dontgosmiley:" title="Dontgosmiley :dontgosmiley:" data-shortname=":dontgosmiley:" /> <strong><span style="font-size: 15px">THERE!</span></strong> It's not allowed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 951741, member: 2189"] I don't need 911 to think that because I already do but then I think the same thing of Obama and [URL="http://www.salon.com/2012/03/14/obamas_personal_role_in_a_journalists_imprisonment/singleton/"][COLOR=#ff0000]here's just one more reason why[/COLOR][/URL] that I think that way of him as well. To your former point about looking at the facts and having an open, honest discussion, I agree. But sadly the power of the state forbids such things as it threatens the State's very existence if it allowed this to happen. Even transparency itself would completely undermine it's illusion of being a benefit and necessary to good quality of life. Such conversations could lead to people working together so solve problems on the local level and create (recreate) the idea of community and small scale which ironically is the bedrock of what was Jeffersonian democracy. In such society, topdown dominance becomes problematic if not impossible and the use of fear tactics are almost impossible because the means of life and it's quality become localized and in control of the local population and therefore threats have to be very real ie fact based and transparent instead of abstract ie theoretical and shadowy to get people to react. Otherwise they laugh and continue onward in their daily lives. But also let's pose this question since 911 moved our nation onto a warfare footing. Ponder what is said at [URL="http://money.msn.com/investing/10-companies-profiting-most-from-war"][COLOR=#ff0000]this link[/COLOR][/URL] but then consider this. This $411 billion annual amount comes directly from tax dollars extracted from the economy or is compounded with more debt forcing larger future tax extractions from the private economy. Now what if on an annual basis you left just half of that $411 billion amount in the private economy to circulate and re-circulate throughout? What might the impact be across the broader economy to the many ills that plague us today? No doubt, these 10 companies listed would be negatively effected but as these market forces are decentralized and spread back out, would market actions be far greater to the positive and the benefits spread far and wide in local markets rather than in the present form being consolidated? Think Wall Street the loser and Main Street the winner. But then this raises another question, the one we don't want to face, and that is without 911, would those profits ever have taken place at all? Thus if 911 was an economic boom.................. :dontgosmiley: [B][SIZE=4]THERE![/SIZE][/B] It's not allowed. [/QUOTE]
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