Home
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
Latest activity
Members
Current visitors
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Home
Forums
Brown Cafe UPS Forum
UPS Union Issues
97 Flashback
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="JonFrum" data-source="post: 268639"><p>There was no evidence, that's why he was never even charged. But what the government did do was indite him on a trumpted-up charge of lying because he consistently maintained his innocence. </p><p></p><p>Tie, imagine that the government wrongly accused you of a crime. They put you under oath and repeatedly ask you about your crime. You repeatedly deny it and insist that you are innocent. They then bypass the original "crime" and indite you on multiple perjury charges for lying about a "crime" that they haven't even charged you with, or proven was committed by you. Doesn't that seem unconstitutional? Shouldn't the government be required to prove you guilty of the crime first, before they can consider your repeated denial of involvement as additional crimes? </p><p></p><p>Carey was found Not Guilty. Usually a "Not Guilty" verdict means the guy is probably guilty, but the prosecution was ineffective, or didn't prove their case "beyond a reasonable doubt." However, once in a while, a Not Guilty verdict means the guy was really Innocent!!! </p><p></p><p>The evidence wasn't there. The witnesses against Carey were a disaster. The case crumbled like a house of cards. And the jury concluded he was innocent.</p><p></p><p>Carey was earlier banned for life from the Teamsters because the three-member IRB thought he must be guilty. They didn't need proof. Apparently, they just felt it in their bones. They believed witnesses who were later discredited at Carey's perjury trial. I don't fault them for making a mistake. But I do say they should be prosecuted for not correcting their wopper of a mistake once the truth came out at trial. </p><p></p><p>It's also kinda scary: this unAmerican "banned for life" thing. Scary both because it's literally For Life, (something the courts usually can't even muster when dealing with repeat murders); and because it also applies to all of us Teamsters! Tie, you can legally speak to Ron Carey, but Teamsters have committed a crime if they do! On the other hand, I can call or visit all the murders, rapists, and child molesters in prison I want. What's wrong with this picture?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JonFrum, post: 268639"] There was no evidence, that's why he was never even charged. But what the government did do was indite him on a trumpted-up charge of lying because he consistently maintained his innocence. Tie, imagine that the government wrongly accused you of a crime. They put you under oath and repeatedly ask you about your crime. You repeatedly deny it and insist that you are innocent. They then bypass the original "crime" and indite you on multiple perjury charges for lying about a "crime" that they haven't even charged you with, or proven was committed by you. Doesn't that seem unconstitutional? Shouldn't the government be required to prove you guilty of the crime first, before they can consider your repeated denial of involvement as additional crimes? Carey was found Not Guilty. Usually a "Not Guilty" verdict means the guy is probably guilty, but the prosecution was ineffective, or didn't prove their case "beyond a reasonable doubt." However, once in a while, a Not Guilty verdict means the guy was really Innocent!!! The evidence wasn't there. The witnesses against Carey were a disaster. The case crumbled like a house of cards. And the jury concluded he was innocent. Carey was earlier banned for life from the Teamsters because the three-member IRB thought he must be guilty. They didn't need proof. Apparently, they just felt it in their bones. They believed witnesses who were later discredited at Carey's perjury trial. I don't fault them for making a mistake. But I do say they should be prosecuted for not correcting their wopper of a mistake once the truth came out at trial. It's also kinda scary: this unAmerican "banned for life" thing. Scary both because it's literally For Life, (something the courts usually can't even muster when dealing with repeat murders); and because it also applies to all of us Teamsters! Tie, you can legally speak to Ron Carey, but Teamsters have committed a crime if they do! On the other hand, I can call or visit all the murders, rapists, and child molesters in prison I want. What's wrong with this picture? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Home
Forums
Brown Cafe UPS Forum
UPS Union Issues
97 Flashback
Top