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<blockquote data-quote="mule" data-source="post: 270188" data-attributes="member: 12014"><p>Tieguy wrote,</p><p>"I think your answer is actually a good one and I don't necessarily disagree with all of it. Collective bargaining did serve a valuable purpose at one time and did bring up the overall working mans financial means from the slave labor type era. Unions have in some ways also put theirselves out of business. They fought for the many laws that you have on the books that protect labor from whatever. With that said times are now different. Many agencies and many laws that provide the protections that unions provided in the past. Overall scale is up. But its up as long as the company paying the bills is competitive. Too many people here that think UPS pockets are bottomless. They are not. When you consider a contract offer you also have to consider the flexibilities ups feels they need to compete. Fdx has no union restrictions. If they want their part time people working a split shift of two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon they can do so tommorrow with no union intervention. So with all respect I think you folks have to make sure your union is not so restrictive that it strangles the golden goose. "</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>What you are a saying is very true; however, you are leaving out some components to the story. Unions have and will continue to help balance out the problems with laize faire or pure capitalism. Yes, laws have been created over the years to protect workers. Actually, the laws were created more to save money to society than to protect workers. How so? Economics is the distribution of resources. If Bob breaks his arm at work and there are no laws to protect him, the government or someone will have to pay to take care of Bob. To assume that unions are not viable now is not to see the power of the capitalistic system. You are a supervisor? You are not management? There is a difference. Management pulls levers based on objectives that tie into the vision and mission statement. Supervisors execute the plan or the movement of the levers. Actually, there are so many complicated connections within an organization and to its external environment that it boggles the mind. Don't assume that the only cost is labor costs or variable costs. If labor cost stay the same, then management will have to come up with other ways to be more efficient. Look at the new technology that UPS has introduced over the years. If there was no pressure to reduce costs or generate more revenue, do you think that UPS would have invested in new technologies and more efficient ways of doing business? The Supply Chain Solutions is a great example. The union will never strangle UPS's ability to compete. This would be counterproductive. Without the union there would be more problems than there are now, and these problems would cost the company money. There has to be a balance between labor and production. Unions help make this balance or find the economies of scale.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mule, post: 270188, member: 12014"] Tieguy wrote, "I think your answer is actually a good one and I don't necessarily disagree with all of it. Collective bargaining did serve a valuable purpose at one time and did bring up the overall working mans financial means from the slave labor type era. Unions have in some ways also put theirselves out of business. They fought for the many laws that you have on the books that protect labor from whatever. With that said times are now different. Many agencies and many laws that provide the protections that unions provided in the past. Overall scale is up. But its up as long as the company paying the bills is competitive. Too many people here that think UPS pockets are bottomless. They are not. When you consider a contract offer you also have to consider the flexibilities ups feels they need to compete. Fdx has no union restrictions. If they want their part time people working a split shift of two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon they can do so tommorrow with no union intervention. So with all respect I think you folks have to make sure your union is not so restrictive that it strangles the golden goose. " What you are a saying is very true; however, you are leaving out some components to the story. Unions have and will continue to help balance out the problems with laize faire or pure capitalism. Yes, laws have been created over the years to protect workers. Actually, the laws were created more to save money to society than to protect workers. How so? Economics is the distribution of resources. If Bob breaks his arm at work and there are no laws to protect him, the government or someone will have to pay to take care of Bob. To assume that unions are not viable now is not to see the power of the capitalistic system. You are a supervisor? You are not management? There is a difference. Management pulls levers based on objectives that tie into the vision and mission statement. Supervisors execute the plan or the movement of the levers. Actually, there are so many complicated connections within an organization and to its external environment that it boggles the mind. Don't assume that the only cost is labor costs or variable costs. If labor cost stay the same, then management will have to come up with other ways to be more efficient. Look at the new technology that UPS has introduced over the years. If there was no pressure to reduce costs or generate more revenue, do you think that UPS would have invested in new technologies and more efficient ways of doing business? The Supply Chain Solutions is a great example. The union will never strangle UPS's ability to compete. This would be counterproductive. Without the union there would be more problems than there are now, and these problems would cost the company money. There has to be a balance between labor and production. Unions help make this balance or find the economies of scale. [/QUOTE]
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