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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 607042" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Funny, I made no mention of effecting State or local gov't and yet you lacked critical thinking and assumed! I'm not surprised by your revelation either!</p><p></p><p>BTW: Somalia does have a gov't (A <strong>government</strong> is the body within an organization that has the authority to make and enforce rules, laws and regulations.) see government but it may be that you and myself as well don't like how that gov't exerts itself as it's not what "WE" typically think gov't is.</p><p></p><p>Actually, strip away the noble lies and it's in truth more honest. Gov't has many ways into power but mostly it's done by one of 2 ways these days for the most part. First, there's the pure democracy route which can take many illusion forms. Saddam Huissein was said by some to be elected and therefore many thought democracy but yet he controlled who ran against him for the most part. Of course we decried this control as evil and yet we ignored the fact that in this country we have the same thing but we think ourselves better because we have it divided into 2 political parties that all but control the process. 3rd parties are allowed to some degree for the sake of illusion but the wall so high they have no real chance.</p><p></p><p>The 2nd way is by pure force whether that be some type of coup or other means of violent act. Taking this route also requires a maintaining of some level of violence until opposition forces are killed or assimulated. Somalia being a good example. Also it might serve you well to study a little about the region and how the CIA and other American interests have actually profitted and promoted the problems over there while telling the masses the noble lie! Just like now where we decry the violence and so-called "anarchy" in areas of Afghanistan and yet we held to the noble lie while we backed and funded same anarchy in the 1980's when Afghanistan was under Soviet occupation. Ah, the noble lie of promoting freedom and justice from the red imperial menace!</p><p></p><p>Government exerts it's will by either brute force, threat of brute force or the subtle lie in order to gain compliance and/or obedience.</p><p>We are conditioned to the subtle lie as politicians tell us one thing to gain our vote and then act differently once elected. That's the operation of being "civilized" or in the first world. In the 3rd world, the mechanism of carrying the lie lacks to feed the masses so brute force becomes the tool of choice. Same thing really except in the first world being on the losing side your blood spilt tends to be green!</p><p></p><p>In the first world unlike the 3rd world, the warloads hide behind lobbyist and paid for politicians and use the cop and other enforcer of state sanction as the avenger of blood and protection control. The only difference between ourselves and the Somilians is our level of sophisications in hiding our own brutality of the blood of citizen slaves who dare stand up and are then bled dry for public viewing along our own Appian Way!</p><p></p><p>I often find it musing that the mircoscopic minority of folks who hold a view like or similar to mine when we voice it are so fast to raise objections from the overwhelming galactic size masses of those who in various beliefs of State would strongly disagree. As for mass appeal, it's almost as if I were saying that on the farside of the universe a comet were about to slam into a planet and yet you act as if it's about to hit here. Wonder where the fear comes from?</p><p></p><p>Relax, have a beer, kick back. You know you can easily pass me off as just pure hyperbole, troll, lunatic, BC idiot, etc. etc. What I say will have no impact at all!</p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p><p></p><p>And Klein, learn how definitions work and what people are actually advocating in the first place! Amazing what one can learn from etymology and to stop fearing as well! Did we ever consider if we look past the idea and concept of týrannos that something else even potentially better might emerge?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 607042, member: 2189"] Funny, I made no mention of effecting State or local gov't and yet you lacked critical thinking and assumed! I'm not surprised by your revelation either! BTW: Somalia does have a gov't (A [B]government[/B] is the body within an organization that has the authority to make and enforce rules, laws and regulations.) see government but it may be that you and myself as well don't like how that gov't exerts itself as it's not what "WE" typically think gov't is. Actually, strip away the noble lies and it's in truth more honest. Gov't has many ways into power but mostly it's done by one of 2 ways these days for the most part. First, there's the pure democracy route which can take many illusion forms. Saddam Huissein was said by some to be elected and therefore many thought democracy but yet he controlled who ran against him for the most part. Of course we decried this control as evil and yet we ignored the fact that in this country we have the same thing but we think ourselves better because we have it divided into 2 political parties that all but control the process. 3rd parties are allowed to some degree for the sake of illusion but the wall so high they have no real chance. The 2nd way is by pure force whether that be some type of coup or other means of violent act. Taking this route also requires a maintaining of some level of violence until opposition forces are killed or assimulated. Somalia being a good example. Also it might serve you well to study a little about the region and how the CIA and other American interests have actually profitted and promoted the problems over there while telling the masses the noble lie! Just like now where we decry the violence and so-called "anarchy" in areas of Afghanistan and yet we held to the noble lie while we backed and funded same anarchy in the 1980's when Afghanistan was under Soviet occupation. Ah, the noble lie of promoting freedom and justice from the red imperial menace! Government exerts it's will by either brute force, threat of brute force or the subtle lie in order to gain compliance and/or obedience. We are conditioned to the subtle lie as politicians tell us one thing to gain our vote and then act differently once elected. That's the operation of being "civilized" or in the first world. In the 3rd world, the mechanism of carrying the lie lacks to feed the masses so brute force becomes the tool of choice. Same thing really except in the first world being on the losing side your blood spilt tends to be green! In the first world unlike the 3rd world, the warloads hide behind lobbyist and paid for politicians and use the cop and other enforcer of state sanction as the avenger of blood and protection control. The only difference between ourselves and the Somilians is our level of sophisications in hiding our own brutality of the blood of citizen slaves who dare stand up and are then bled dry for public viewing along our own Appian Way! I often find it musing that the mircoscopic minority of folks who hold a view like or similar to mine when we voice it are so fast to raise objections from the overwhelming galactic size masses of those who in various beliefs of State would strongly disagree. As for mass appeal, it's almost as if I were saying that on the farside of the universe a comet were about to slam into a planet and yet you act as if it's about to hit here. Wonder where the fear comes from? Relax, have a beer, kick back. You know you can easily pass me off as just pure hyperbole, troll, lunatic, BC idiot, etc. etc. What I say will have no impact at all! :peaceful: And Klein, learn how definitions work and what people are actually advocating in the first place! Amazing what one can learn from etymology and to stop fearing as well! Did we ever consider if we look past the idea and concept of týrannos that something else even potentially better might emerge? [/QUOTE]
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