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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 607842" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Sorry if you misunderstood but I'd stop all operations into Pakistan not continue or increase them. Drones or other means of air cover would be used as overhead protection only of withdrawing forces. I'd withdraw all in-country operations back to the Kabul area and then withdraw all forces. I know this can't happen in 24 hours because of pure scale but all offensive operations would stop immediately. Hope that statement is more clear. Sorry for the mix up.</p><p> </p><p>I can't speak for your libertarian friends because the word libertatian itself has no hard fast dogmatic meaning. There are pro war libertarians just as there are anti war, pro life and pro choice libertarians and even the issue of drugs and postitution is a mixed bag among many issues and contary to popular belief. There are leftist libertatians and even socialist libertarians.</p><p> </p><p>I use the term anarchist and anarchy to assign myself to the more radical element of libertarianism who believes in the concept of "no ruler" whereas many libertarians in similar fashion to yourself in some areas are what some call "minarchists" who adopt the concept of "no ruler" only in limited areas. </p><p> </p><p>I also adopt the concept of the non aggression axiom and you can google that so I won't belabor that point. Your friends "may?" adopt this principle or some aspect of it but again, you'll have to ask them. Why not ask them what they have read or are reading that helped them develop their POV.</p><p> </p><p>Just a side note in case this comes up in thought. What about the nuclear threat in Pakistan? This is exactly why I've been posting all this stuff about Sibel Edmonds. When you start looking past the spin story of gov't and looking not only deeper but across a much longer span of time and how things went on say like in the 1980's for example with Charlie Wilson, you begin to realize that a lot of nefarious characters did a lot of dirty deeds to benefit themselves and still do to this day. Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran did not start in 1979', 1990' or 2001'. This has all been going on for well more than a century and the only way to even get a slight hint is to study some of that history.</p><p> </p><p>jmo.</p><p> </p><p>Just on another side note. This afternoon I watched an interview with Rory Stewart concerning Afghanistan on <a href="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09252009/profile.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Bill Moyers' Journal</span></a>. Unlike me and more aligned with you, he thinks we should stay in Afghanistan and he himself is a former soldier. But he also brings up some valid points about Afghanistan and the idea of there being some type of Jeffersonian democracy in place anytime soon in that country. I think some of his points are very healthy for us to discuss publically in the public space and realize what we are up against.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 607842, member: 2189"] Sorry if you misunderstood but I'd stop all operations into Pakistan not continue or increase them. Drones or other means of air cover would be used as overhead protection only of withdrawing forces. I'd withdraw all in-country operations back to the Kabul area and then withdraw all forces. I know this can't happen in 24 hours because of pure scale but all offensive operations would stop immediately. Hope that statement is more clear. Sorry for the mix up. I can't speak for your libertarian friends because the word libertatian itself has no hard fast dogmatic meaning. There are pro war libertarians just as there are anti war, pro life and pro choice libertarians and even the issue of drugs and postitution is a mixed bag among many issues and contary to popular belief. There are leftist libertatians and even socialist libertarians. I use the term anarchist and anarchy to assign myself to the more radical element of libertarianism who believes in the concept of "no ruler" whereas many libertarians in similar fashion to yourself in some areas are what some call "minarchists" who adopt the concept of "no ruler" only in limited areas. I also adopt the concept of the non aggression axiom and you can google that so I won't belabor that point. Your friends "may?" adopt this principle or some aspect of it but again, you'll have to ask them. Why not ask them what they have read or are reading that helped them develop their POV. Just a side note in case this comes up in thought. What about the nuclear threat in Pakistan? This is exactly why I've been posting all this stuff about Sibel Edmonds. When you start looking past the spin story of gov't and looking not only deeper but across a much longer span of time and how things went on say like in the 1980's for example with Charlie Wilson, you begin to realize that a lot of nefarious characters did a lot of dirty deeds to benefit themselves and still do to this day. Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran did not start in 1979', 1990' or 2001'. This has all been going on for well more than a century and the only way to even get a slight hint is to study some of that history. jmo. Just on another side note. This afternoon I watched an interview with Rory Stewart concerning Afghanistan on [URL="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09252009/profile.html"][COLOR=red]Bill Moyers' Journal[/COLOR][/URL]. Unlike me and more aligned with you, he thinks we should stay in Afghanistan and he himself is a former soldier. But he also brings up some valid points about Afghanistan and the idea of there being some type of Jeffersonian democracy in place anytime soon in that country. I think some of his points are very healthy for us to discuss publically in the public space and realize what we are up against. [/QUOTE]
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