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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 616419" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Is Somalia today some anarchist experiment gone wrong or is it a tribal/rival faction killing field as control is sought in the aftermath and blowback of Colonialist (democratic nationbuilding) interventions of the late 19th and into the 20th century? Are they killing rivals in the hopes to be the last one standing in order to be "the ruler" of a given geo-graphic area? How can you have a true "anarchy" movement when the goal is a fight to control power?</p><p></p><p>Maybe you should rethink your words and consider <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">other options</span> </a>that actually fit the conditions and adhere to more historic defintions of terms. Somalia is not about creating a soceity with no ruler but is fighting now to figure out who that ruler ultimately will be. In otherwords, the killing is because people want a ruler rather than a desire for a lack thereof! In fact, <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ACGW_enUS345US346&q=political+chaos&start=0&sa=N" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">political chaos</span> </a>and look down the list. They have for the most part one thing in common, not a desire for an <em>anarchía</em> world but rather they are infighting among themselves in the hopes of emerging from the political chaos on top. The chaos comes as a result of the State in order to establish the State. That's why when you lay out the number of people <span style="color: black">killed by established state</span> on the span of time verses the number of people kill by non-state means, the numbers in sheer volume is quite shocking. This link should provide some thought.</p><p><a href="http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.CHAP1.HTM" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.CHAP1.HTM</span></a></p><p></p><p>As for Somalia and it's history.</p><p></p><p>Who is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Mullah" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">The Mad Mullah</span></a> and who is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Corfield" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Richard Corfield</span></a> ?</p><p></p><p>Did Hassan <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/216509" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">influence</span></a> Bin Laden?</p><p></p><p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=_YP7y7Nmf5kC&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=importance+of+controlling+the+horn+of+africa&source=bl&ots=_Yf2F1niS1&sig=FG8GjcLOly0Z9YPWl8m3uYitb0A&hl=en&ei=8OzVSuLjIZnKtgf6pq2ZDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=&friend=false" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Understanding the influence</span> </a>not only of western colonial and cold war powers but also religion in the Horn is very important to understanding the events of today in the region.</p><p></p><p>Understanding the concept of "no ruler" and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anarchism" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">it's History</span> </a>goes a long way in at least unbinding one's self from the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_monarchy" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">monarchist</span></a> propoganda we've (including myself) have been conditioned with.</p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 616419, member: 2189"] Is Somalia today some anarchist experiment gone wrong or is it a tribal/rival faction killing field as control is sought in the aftermath and blowback of Colonialist (democratic nationbuilding) interventions of the late 19th and into the 20th century? Are they killing rivals in the hopes to be the last one standing in order to be "the ruler" of a given geo-graphic area? How can you have a true "anarchy" movement when the goal is a fight to control power? Maybe you should rethink your words and consider [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos'][COLOR=red]other options[/COLOR] [/URL]that actually fit the conditions and adhere to more historic defintions of terms. Somalia is not about creating a soceity with no ruler but is fighting now to figure out who that ruler ultimately will be. In otherwords, the killing is because people want a ruler rather than a desire for a lack thereof! In fact, [URL='http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ACGW_enUS345US346&q=political+chaos&start=0&sa=N'][COLOR=red]political chaos[/COLOR] [/URL]and look down the list. They have for the most part one thing in common, not a desire for an [I]anarchía[/I] world but rather they are infighting among themselves in the hopes of emerging from the political chaos on top. The chaos comes as a result of the State in order to establish the State. That's why when you lay out the number of people [COLOR=black]killed by established state[/COLOR] on the span of time verses the number of people kill by non-state means, the numbers in sheer volume is quite shocking. This link should provide some thought. [URL='http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.CHAP1.HTM'][COLOR=red]http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.CHAP1.HTM[/COLOR][/URL] As for Somalia and it's history. Who is [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Mullah'][COLOR=red]The Mad Mullah[/COLOR][/URL] and who is [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Corfield'][COLOR=red]Richard Corfield[/COLOR][/URL] ? Did Hassan [URL='http://www.newsweek.com/id/216509'][COLOR=red]influence[/COLOR][/URL] Bin Laden? [URL='http://books.google.com/books?id=_YP7y7Nmf5kC&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=importance+of+controlling+the+horn+of+africa&source=bl&ots=_Yf2F1niS1&sig=FG8GjcLOly0Z9YPWl8m3uYitb0A&hl=en&ei=8OzVSuLjIZnKtgf6pq2ZDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=&friend=false'][COLOR=red]Understanding the influence[/COLOR] [/URL]not only of western colonial and cold war powers but also religion in the Horn is very important to understanding the events of today in the region. Understanding the concept of "no ruler" and [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anarchism'][COLOR=red]it's History[/COLOR] [/URL]goes a long way in at least unbinding one's self from the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_monarchy'][COLOR=red]monarchist[/COLOR][/URL] propoganda we've (including myself) have been conditioned with. :wink2::peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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