Amazon Prime cargo plane crashes

Benben

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Damn, I have an Atlas pilot on my route.

Folks, just a little FYI, Atlas does or at least did fly loads for UPS last peak.....just an FYI.
 

pkgdriver

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Damn, I have an Atlas pilot on my route.

Folks, just a little FYI, Atlas does or at least did fly loads for UPS last peak.....just an FYI.

At our air gateway there was an Atlas Air 747 for a week or two during peak along with a couple of brown tails. Kalitta Air is one of the others UPS uses during peak.
 

Box Ox

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Could be a case of cost cutting at work.

Atlas Air Flight 3591 - Wikipedia

“The Boeing 767-375(ER) (msn 25865/430) was originally ordered by Canadian Airlines International in 1992, but not taken up by Canadian and instead delivered to Guinness Peat Aviation as a white-tail aircraft in July 1992, who then leased the aircraft to China Southern Airlines. After being sold to GE Capital Aviation Services, the aircraft was then leased to LAN Airlines, which operated the aircraft for 17 years within various divisions of LAN, before being returned to the lessor, by this time CIT Aerospace. CIT then leased the aircraft to Atlas Air, who then had the airframe converted to a freighter for use with Amazon Air at Paya Lebar Air Base, subsequently taking full ownership of the aircraft from the lessor upon completion of the conversion.[6] According to FAA records, the airframe had accumulated more than 90,000 hours over 23,000 flights prior to its hull loss.[7] The Boeing 767 aircraft was nearly 27 years old at the time of the accident.[8]
 

Days

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this is a pretty early crash for the amazon prime business ..we all remember the two UPS pilots that were killed after being made work 24 hrs straight or whatever, RIP union pilot brothers/sisters


https://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2013/08/15/ups-pilots-killed-in- crash-identified.html. ( only fatal crash since 1981)

It’s ones responsibility to take care of his or her own safety. You’ll learn that real quick irk where people generally won’t speak up if something unsafe is occurring. Only when the accident happens, do things change.
 

DriverNerd

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The 767 is a workhorse and UPS has many of them in service. There have been very few failures in 30 years. I'm like most people, I just would like to know how this happened.
 

worldwide

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this is a pretty early crash for the amazon prime business ..we all remember the two UPS pilots that were killed after being made work 24 hrs straight or whatever, RIP union pilot brothers/sisters


https://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2013/08/15/ups-pilots-killed-in- crash-identified.html. ( only fatal crash since 1981)

A tragic crash for Atlas - RIP to the crew.

The NTSB came to a different conclusion as to the probable cause of the Birmingham crash versus your false post about the crew working "24 hours straight or whatever." Fatigue was a contributing factor but the crew did not work "24 hours." No doubt working on the backside of the clock is challenging and can mess with your circadian rhythm but the NTSB was more focused on the Captain's previous training records and how he reacted during the approach. The training records for the captain of that flight indicated past performance deficiencies that are consistent with the types of errors made during the accident flight.

"During this flight, the captain demonstrated poor decision-making by continuing the approach after the profile did not capture, failing to communicate the change in the approach method, not monitoring the descent rate and altitude, and failing to initiate a go-around when the approach was unstabilized below 1,000 ft. The NTSB concludes that the captain’s poor performance during the accident flight was consistent with past performance deficiencies in flying non-precision approaches noted during training; the errors that the captain made were likely the result of confusion over why the profile did not engage, his belief that the airplane was too high, and his lack of compliance with SOPs."

On September 9, 2014 the National Transportation Safety Board announced that the probable cause of the accident was that the aircrew had made an unstabilized approach into Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport during which they failed to adequately monitor their altitude. The aircraft descended below the minimum descent altitude when the runway was not yet in sight, resulting in controlled flight into terrain approximately 3,300 feet short of the runway threshold. The NTSB also found that contributing factors in the accident were:

  1. the flight crew’s failure to properly configure and verify the flight management computer for the profile approach;
  2. the captain’s failure to communicate his intentions to the first officer once it became apparent the vertical profile was not captured;
  3. incomplete weather information that led the flight crew to expect they would break out of cloud at 1,000 feet above ground level;
  4. the first officer’s failure to make the required minimums callouts;
  5. the captain’s performance deficiencies, likely due to factors including, but not limited to, fatigue, distraction, or confusion, consistent with performance deficiencies exhibited during training, and;
  6. the first officer’s fatigue due to acute sleep loss resulting from her ineffective off-duty time management.
Source: https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR1402.pdf
 

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