Home
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
Latest activity
Members
Current visitors
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Home
Forums
Brown Cafe Community Center
Current Events
An Attack on Free Speech
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 286197" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>AV8 makes a good point there EZ although I think we all share your dislike of the 4 examples you did give. No argument at least form me on that. Thomas Jefferson once said:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Another quote of his of interest to the subject at hand:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Continuing:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>And finally:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>EZ and again anyone else,</p><p> </p><p>There are times like right now I wish we were out on my patio on a nice 70 plus degree sunny day, throw on some nice steaks on the grill, ice down a few brews but if not into that I could go vegee and sweet ice tea so as not to offend but the reason I say this is face to face where we could have conversation, I do believe there is a lot of common ground. Sure, we'll part ways on some things because no 2 people agree on everything but I think we would agree the very same in many respects the same evils of society. </p><p> </p><p>Things like Enron, bad lending practices and on and on, I do believe we'd all share a common dislike. But in my case, and I only speak for myself, sadly these things have always been with us and I say this not to suggest we throw up our hands and accept. But where you see gov't as the means to protect you and eliminate the risk, I see gov't as a mechanism of breeding that spreads the disease further afield. </p><p> </p><p>A large central gov't like the hub of a wheel gives someone of evil intent a central focus that if they can overtake and manipulate, like a bad disease, then use this central mechanism as a carrier and thus infect the whole body politic. If there is no single central point and say for example there are 50 central points, it takes much greater work and effort to infect the entire body politic. Odds would suggest that it would be nearly impossible to move across all 50 in concert to overwhelm at once but rather at some point, some of those 50 would be wise to the fraud and thus a defensive action that would save the entire body politic from being infected. Instead of just 50, let's say those 50 are now de-centralize to a degree and you now have 1000's and 1000's of little hives. Will some be overrun with disease from time to time? Yep! But what are the chances you can infect all the 1000's in concert to prevent detection of the fraud before it's to late? Did you ever find it odd that we fuss about the micro management of Glenlake at UPS and this drive towards centralization and removal of individual needs and concerns of the local business but we inturn demand the exact thing from our gov't in Washington. Are we not a 2 faced species?</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>Our nature is in some respects to attract towards a central point especially when we see this point reflecting our point of view and outlook on life. Everyone should live their life like me because my life works. I know, we all feel that way. It's our nature. It makes us feel empowered and in some respects, the light of our own destiny when our beliefs are the dominate thinking in society. If a little feels good, a lot should be even better! Yeah it feels good, me too as I'm no different. </p><p> </p><p>We also see the illusion of reduced risk as people are centralized and the belief that we are protected from those who would harm us. History is loaded with man's examples of where that belief has led to the death and destruction of untold numbers of human life and the bitter taste of total tyranny. Tyranny and pure despotism is not a all at once burst of light but begins as a small smoldering ember that people at large just don't see. It's the ember of one or a few at best. It starts to flare and at first it's heat from it's flames are warm, soothing and of great comfort. In most cases, the thinking is a little more flame would be even more comforting and warm so you feed the flame it's desired fuel. All of a sudden you find an out of control raging fire storm that consumes you to your destruction. </p><p> </p><p>George Washington understood the relationship of governance with fire as he said:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>IMHO and I think the point AV8 in some if not same respect was making, Enron, Tyco, Jack Abramhof and predatory lenders didn't come about as a result of lack of oversight, but rather they were seated in gov't with those in position to run block which allowed them to do what they did. (AV8, I hope I got that right on your part, my apologies to you if I didn't)</p><p> </p><p>Make gov't more oversighted? (I know, bad english) This won't stop them and in fact this tends to lessen the field of true, honest, open competition within business and thus making the potential of gains almost at criminal levels so that the criminal minded step in to fill the void and the problem worsens.</p><p> </p><p>As to you EZ being a comunist. I don't believe that at all about you. Here's an observation from a purely historical context to consider in times like these. When certain people make willd allegations about another person that has no logic, reason or substance behind the claim to back it up, in our world today of sophisticated and technological advancement, we would say that such person had nothing else of fact or substance to argue so they result to name calling. This may be true in this case. </p><p> </p><p>At the time of Freud, he could explain this person in terms of medical conditions and this again may also be true. During the times of the enlightenment, the great men of thinking also had their explainations of why a person would utter such things but in what we call the dark ages, they also had an explaination but it lacked the sophisticated understanding of man nor did it include the knowledge of technology. No medical understand or terms of philosophy. </p><p> </p><p>Instead they took a very simplistic approach and referred to the person as the "Village Idiot!" Just thought I'd pass along that "moment in history" for your pleasure.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p> </p><p>I'll leave you with this in mind.</p><p> </p><p>Old George also said the following:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>And closing with Thomas Jefferson:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 286197, member: 2189"] AV8 makes a good point there EZ although I think we all share your dislike of the 4 examples you did give. No argument at least form me on that. Thomas Jefferson once said: Another quote of his of interest to the subject at hand: Continuing: And finally: EZ and again anyone else, There are times like right now I wish we were out on my patio on a nice 70 plus degree sunny day, throw on some nice steaks on the grill, ice down a few brews but if not into that I could go vegee and sweet ice tea so as not to offend but the reason I say this is face to face where we could have conversation, I do believe there is a lot of common ground. Sure, we'll part ways on some things because no 2 people agree on everything but I think we would agree the very same in many respects the same evils of society. Things like Enron, bad lending practices and on and on, I do believe we'd all share a common dislike. But in my case, and I only speak for myself, sadly these things have always been with us and I say this not to suggest we throw up our hands and accept. But where you see gov't as the means to protect you and eliminate the risk, I see gov't as a mechanism of breeding that spreads the disease further afield. A large central gov't like the hub of a wheel gives someone of evil intent a central focus that if they can overtake and manipulate, like a bad disease, then use this central mechanism as a carrier and thus infect the whole body politic. If there is no single central point and say for example there are 50 central points, it takes much greater work and effort to infect the entire body politic. Odds would suggest that it would be nearly impossible to move across all 50 in concert to overwhelm at once but rather at some point, some of those 50 would be wise to the fraud and thus a defensive action that would save the entire body politic from being infected. Instead of just 50, let's say those 50 are now de-centralize to a degree and you now have 1000's and 1000's of little hives. Will some be overrun with disease from time to time? Yep! But what are the chances you can infect all the 1000's in concert to prevent detection of the fraud before it's to late? Did you ever find it odd that we fuss about the micro management of Glenlake at UPS and this drive towards centralization and removal of individual needs and concerns of the local business but we inturn demand the exact thing from our gov't in Washington. Are we not a 2 faced species? :happy-very: Our nature is in some respects to attract towards a central point especially when we see this point reflecting our point of view and outlook on life. Everyone should live their life like me because my life works. I know, we all feel that way. It's our nature. It makes us feel empowered and in some respects, the light of our own destiny when our beliefs are the dominate thinking in society. If a little feels good, a lot should be even better! Yeah it feels good, me too as I'm no different. We also see the illusion of reduced risk as people are centralized and the belief that we are protected from those who would harm us. History is loaded with man's examples of where that belief has led to the death and destruction of untold numbers of human life and the bitter taste of total tyranny. Tyranny and pure despotism is not a all at once burst of light but begins as a small smoldering ember that people at large just don't see. It's the ember of one or a few at best. It starts to flare and at first it's heat from it's flames are warm, soothing and of great comfort. In most cases, the thinking is a little more flame would be even more comforting and warm so you feed the flame it's desired fuel. All of a sudden you find an out of control raging fire storm that consumes you to your destruction. George Washington understood the relationship of governance with fire as he said: IMHO and I think the point AV8 in some if not same respect was making, Enron, Tyco, Jack Abramhof and predatory lenders didn't come about as a result of lack of oversight, but rather they were seated in gov't with those in position to run block which allowed them to do what they did. (AV8, I hope I got that right on your part, my apologies to you if I didn't) Make gov't more oversighted? (I know, bad english) This won't stop them and in fact this tends to lessen the field of true, honest, open competition within business and thus making the potential of gains almost at criminal levels so that the criminal minded step in to fill the void and the problem worsens. As to you EZ being a comunist. I don't believe that at all about you. Here's an observation from a purely historical context to consider in times like these. When certain people make willd allegations about another person that has no logic, reason or substance behind the claim to back it up, in our world today of sophisticated and technological advancement, we would say that such person had nothing else of fact or substance to argue so they result to name calling. This may be true in this case. At the time of Freud, he could explain this person in terms of medical conditions and this again may also be true. During the times of the enlightenment, the great men of thinking also had their explainations of why a person would utter such things but in what we call the dark ages, they also had an explaination but it lacked the sophisticated understanding of man nor did it include the knowledge of technology. No medical understand or terms of philosophy. Instead they took a very simplistic approach and referred to the person as the "Village Idiot!" Just thought I'd pass along that "moment in history" for your pleasure. :wink2: I'll leave you with this in mind. Old George also said the following: And closing with Thomas Jefferson: [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Home
Forums
Brown Cafe Community Center
Current Events
An Attack on Free Speech
Top