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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 410482" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Until recently I would have agreed and felt the exact same as yourself but I've learned some new things that have me very cautious these days.</p><p> </p><p>The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878' was in full force until the 2006' John Warner Defense Authorization Act (HR 5122) in which sec. 1076 allowed for US Armed Forces to be used domestically during emergencies. BTW: Patriot Act did not change Posse Comitatus Act to my knowledge. Anywho, in 2008' HR 4986, Public Law 110-181 reversed the 2006' language restoring to the original 1878' law. President Bush at the officla signing issued an addendum that said the following:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>There is concern based on the above statement about how far the executive branch would go and let me say this. This isn't about Bush specifically as it is about the change over the years in power shifting from the legislative branch to the executive. And let's be honest, if the impossible did occur and America errupted across the board full scale into some sociatal meltdown, a brigade is not going to be enough troops so there you go with that. However, I believe in the old longstanding principle of eternal vigilance and we could except there's nothing to this and sit back not uttering a word and then some politician, political cabal or even political party could use this thing in a nefarious way because we aren't looking. But by pointing the finger at it, making a big public deal about it and forces public focus on it, "IF" there was someone thinking about it, they may have to re-think those plans now. </p><p> </p><p>I'd rather speak out and appear wrong over the longhaul than to not say a word but turn out to be right! The way I see it, by speaking out and being wrong I have a much better chance of insuring I am wrong in the end. And ultimately that's what I want anyway because that would mean American life rolls on!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p> </p><p>It's also ironic that yesterday Democracy Now covered this very subject by interviewing Col. Michael Boatner, Future Operations division chief of USNORTHCOM and Matthew Rothschild, Editor of The Progressive magazine on this issue and Posse Comitatus.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/7/us_army_denies_unit_will_be" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/7/us_army_denies_unit_will_be</strong></span></a></p><p> </p><p>You can watch it on video stream or just read the transcript at the link. I felt the Col. Boatner and Rothschild did good jobs at presenting their points and were each given plenty of time to make them although Rothschild was trying to make a point at the end but had to be cut off because of time. I found it humorous although I'm sure some would alleged some nefarious work at play. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /> </p><p> </p><p>No matter which side of the issue you fall under, it's well worth the time to read and I believe everyone would learn from bothsides from this. Also it was refreshing to hear an interview that was not only full of substance but both sides were respectful and very civil (at least from reading the transcript, I didn't watch the video) and as a result I felt informed frm both sides as well. </p><p> </p><p>I will say this on Sherman's comments. I spoke with my own Congressman (a republican) who also voted against the bailout of which I thanked him for and he even told me he recieved a lot of hard pressure to vote for it. Now he never said anything of martial law but he was told that literally the entire economy would completely collaspe in a very nuclear kind of way. You and I both agree this bailout is a bad idea and there wasa lot of fearmongering going on through this whole process. Dick Armey, former Repub. Congressman from Texas has now confirmed Dick Cheney himself lied to him (Armey) about nukes in Iraq to get Armey to change his vote against the Iraq war in favor to support. If that would happen there, I can't doubt now what Sherman is saying as stated in the YouTube piece.</p><p> </p><p>The plan fact is I no longer trust my gov't and what it tells me and to compound it, the gov't doesn't trust me either becuase I along with over 80% of my fellow Americans said no to the bailout and Washington did just the opposite anyway. Folks, that should at the end of the day speak volumes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 410482, member: 2189"] Until recently I would have agreed and felt the exact same as yourself but I've learned some new things that have me very cautious these days. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878' was in full force until the 2006' John Warner Defense Authorization Act (HR 5122) in which sec. 1076 allowed for US Armed Forces to be used domestically during emergencies. BTW: Patriot Act did not change Posse Comitatus Act to my knowledge. Anywho, in 2008' HR 4986, Public Law 110-181 reversed the 2006' language restoring to the original 1878' law. President Bush at the officla signing issued an addendum that said the following: There is concern based on the above statement about how far the executive branch would go and let me say this. This isn't about Bush specifically as it is about the change over the years in power shifting from the legislative branch to the executive. And let's be honest, if the impossible did occur and America errupted across the board full scale into some sociatal meltdown, a brigade is not going to be enough troops so there you go with that. However, I believe in the old longstanding principle of eternal vigilance and we could except there's nothing to this and sit back not uttering a word and then some politician, political cabal or even political party could use this thing in a nefarious way because we aren't looking. But by pointing the finger at it, making a big public deal about it and forces public focus on it, "IF" there was someone thinking about it, they may have to re-think those plans now. I'd rather speak out and appear wrong over the longhaul than to not say a word but turn out to be right! The way I see it, by speaking out and being wrong I have a much better chance of insuring I am wrong in the end. And ultimately that's what I want anyway because that would mean American life rolls on! :wink2: It's also ironic that yesterday Democracy Now covered this very subject by interviewing Col. Michael Boatner, Future Operations division chief of USNORTHCOM and Matthew Rothschild, Editor of The Progressive magazine on this issue and Posse Comitatus. [URL="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/7/us_army_denies_unit_will_be"][COLOR=red][B]http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/7/us_army_denies_unit_will_be[/B][/COLOR][/URL] You can watch it on video stream or just read the transcript at the link. I felt the Col. Boatner and Rothschild did good jobs at presenting their points and were each given plenty of time to make them although Rothschild was trying to make a point at the end but had to be cut off because of time. I found it humorous although I'm sure some would alleged some nefarious work at play. :happy-very: No matter which side of the issue you fall under, it's well worth the time to read and I believe everyone would learn from bothsides from this. Also it was refreshing to hear an interview that was not only full of substance but both sides were respectful and very civil (at least from reading the transcript, I didn't watch the video) and as a result I felt informed frm both sides as well. I will say this on Sherman's comments. I spoke with my own Congressman (a republican) who also voted against the bailout of which I thanked him for and he even told me he recieved a lot of hard pressure to vote for it. Now he never said anything of martial law but he was told that literally the entire economy would completely collaspe in a very nuclear kind of way. You and I both agree this bailout is a bad idea and there wasa lot of fearmongering going on through this whole process. Dick Armey, former Repub. Congressman from Texas has now confirmed Dick Cheney himself lied to him (Armey) about nukes in Iraq to get Armey to change his vote against the Iraq war in favor to support. If that would happen there, I can't doubt now what Sherman is saying as stated in the YouTube piece. The plan fact is I no longer trust my gov't and what it tells me and to compound it, the gov't doesn't trust me either becuase I along with over 80% of my fellow Americans said no to the bailout and Washington did just the opposite anyway. Folks, that should at the end of the day speak volumes. [/QUOTE]
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