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<blockquote data-quote="dmac1" data-source="post: 4096401" data-attributes="member: 60252"><p>You are probably the only person in the world to ever change your diet when informed you are sick.</p><p></p><p>Don't you think other people will change if notified early enough????? Those lives may be saved. Sure, some people will ignore, but does that mean we just give up on everyone because you don't want a single one of your tax dollars going to save them because some may not be helped????? That's just pure selfishness to most people. Mothers with small children, fathers who earn a living and others who can't afford insurance on their own should just hurry up and die according to conservatives. But those parents will cost a lot more without early care ON AVERAGE if even a few are saved by early intervention. The cost of early treatment of MANY chronic problems is going to cost less in tax dollars than putting them on SSDI 20 years early, and then providing them with medicare, where you will be paying when they have only contributed for a few years.</p><p></p><p>Let's do a little math for the people who do'n take advice and retire early</p><p>- $3000 annually for 40 years in premium subsidy add up to $120,000</p><p>Going on disability at age 45 and getting $15000 in SSDI PLUS maybe $5000 per year in medicare benefits adds up to $20,000 per year for 20 years until they are 65. That adds up to $400,000, and doesn't even include the greatly reduced lifetime contributions to Social Security and Medicare- probably at least another $60,000 at $3000 per year for the extra twenty years for a total tax cost of $460,000.</p><p></p><p>What this shows is that if only one out of three gets help and improves their life, you've saved $340,000, or enough to subsidize 30 people for 30 years, and this assumes than none of the rest delay the progression, even if they don't completely stop the progression of the disease, and it ignores any added costs, like amputaions or hospitalizations that might occur among those who don't follow advice.</p><p></p><p></p><p>How a conservative can deny care to those who need it is nothing but pure hypocrisy, even if it is the person's own fault for being sick. Wasting money because you don't like people getting something for nothing is just dumb.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dmac1, post: 4096401, member: 60252"] You are probably the only person in the world to ever change your diet when informed you are sick. Don't you think other people will change if notified early enough????? Those lives may be saved. Sure, some people will ignore, but does that mean we just give up on everyone because you don't want a single one of your tax dollars going to save them because some may not be helped????? That's just pure selfishness to most people. Mothers with small children, fathers who earn a living and others who can't afford insurance on their own should just hurry up and die according to conservatives. But those parents will cost a lot more without early care ON AVERAGE if even a few are saved by early intervention. The cost of early treatment of MANY chronic problems is going to cost less in tax dollars than putting them on SSDI 20 years early, and then providing them with medicare, where you will be paying when they have only contributed for a few years. Let's do a little math for the people who do'n take advice and retire early - $3000 annually for 40 years in premium subsidy add up to $120,000 Going on disability at age 45 and getting $15000 in SSDI PLUS maybe $5000 per year in medicare benefits adds up to $20,000 per year for 20 years until they are 65. That adds up to $400,000, and doesn't even include the greatly reduced lifetime contributions to Social Security and Medicare- probably at least another $60,000 at $3000 per year for the extra twenty years for a total tax cost of $460,000. What this shows is that if only one out of three gets help and improves their life, you've saved $340,000, or enough to subsidize 30 people for 30 years, and this assumes than none of the rest delay the progression, even if they don't completely stop the progression of the disease, and it ignores any added costs, like amputaions or hospitalizations that might occur among those who don't follow advice. How a conservative can deny care to those who need it is nothing but pure hypocrisy, even if it is the person's own fault for being sick. Wasting money because you don't like people getting something for nothing is just dumb. [/QUOTE]
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