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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 266531" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Also, the salute started out with hand over heart as you said, "I pledge allegiance" and then as you said "to the flag of the United States" that's when you extended the arm with palm up as though to elevate the flag itself. It's also said that Bellamy believes the citizen should hold undying loyality to the State but I wonder what some of these folks would say if they learned the whole idea really launched when a company selling flags to schools used Bellamy's pledge as a marketing idea. We got the tradition of the pledge as a means of making money. Now that should make the neo-cons proud! BTW outside of the military flag marked by the fringe on the borders, the other use of the flag is to mark under what jurisdiction something finds itself. It's principle use was on the high seas to mark the jurisdiction of a ship. That said, it is also common place for the flag to display in a court setting to also designate jurisdiction. If you ever enter a courtroom chamber, why is the military fringed flag on display in a judical branch venue? I guess cause it's prettier!</p><p> </p><p>Also the "In God We Trust" came about via the NYC Knight's of Columbus who wanted a more religious aspect to the pledge and use the influence of Abe Lincoln's Gettysberg address to push that effort. Bellamy wanted the words fraternity and equality in the pledge but dropped that idea as in light of the issue of segregation and women's rights at the time, those words were felt to insight problems even though Bellamy held true to these socialist causes at that time in our history.</p><p> </p><p>Bellamy's Socialist Christianity has seen many manifestations but in modern term it has displayed itself in what is known as Liberation theology most well known during the latter years of the cold war and Marxist movements in Central America to outst pro-American autocratic regimes. It's funny if Bellamy were alive today he'd be an avowed liberal if not downright socialist who would be out protesting the war, protesting the capitalistic economic system some here hold dear as well as the expanding empirical policies that is now the mainstay of our US foreign policy. </p><p> </p><p>What will they extoll next, Marx's 10 planks of the Manifesto?<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>Opps, to late, those are already embedded in the party policy of the Red, White and Blue and have been for many decades! Marx and Engles would be so proud of the 21st century republican party and it's forward thinking for the comrades of the past. Besides, your de facto leader in Irving Krystol is a modified Trotskite himself so the historical connections are there is you'll only look deeper instead of tripping up over tripe about some alleged threat to you Santa Klaus!</p><p> </p><p>Boy, I'm being a real nasty son of a 8itch today!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p> </p><p>At least I'm not over there bored to tears going in circles about the contract.</p><p> </p><p>Man, I'm in a nasty mood today!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy2:" title="Happy2 :happy2:" data-shortname=":happy2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 266531, member: 2189"] Also, the salute started out with hand over heart as you said, "I pledge allegiance" and then as you said "to the flag of the United States" that's when you extended the arm with palm up as though to elevate the flag itself. It's also said that Bellamy believes the citizen should hold undying loyality to the State but I wonder what some of these folks would say if they learned the whole idea really launched when a company selling flags to schools used Bellamy's pledge as a marketing idea. We got the tradition of the pledge as a means of making money. Now that should make the neo-cons proud! BTW outside of the military flag marked by the fringe on the borders, the other use of the flag is to mark under what jurisdiction something finds itself. It's principle use was on the high seas to mark the jurisdiction of a ship. That said, it is also common place for the flag to display in a court setting to also designate jurisdiction. If you ever enter a courtroom chamber, why is the military fringed flag on display in a judical branch venue? I guess cause it's prettier! Also the "In God We Trust" came about via the NYC Knight's of Columbus who wanted a more religious aspect to the pledge and use the influence of Abe Lincoln's Gettysberg address to push that effort. Bellamy wanted the words fraternity and equality in the pledge but dropped that idea as in light of the issue of segregation and women's rights at the time, those words were felt to insight problems even though Bellamy held true to these socialist causes at that time in our history. Bellamy's Socialist Christianity has seen many manifestations but in modern term it has displayed itself in what is known as Liberation theology most well known during the latter years of the cold war and Marxist movements in Central America to outst pro-American autocratic regimes. It's funny if Bellamy were alive today he'd be an avowed liberal if not downright socialist who would be out protesting the war, protesting the capitalistic economic system some here hold dear as well as the expanding empirical policies that is now the mainstay of our US foreign policy. What will they extoll next, Marx's 10 planks of the Manifesto?:happy-very: Opps, to late, those are already embedded in the party policy of the Red, White and Blue and have been for many decades! Marx and Engles would be so proud of the 21st century republican party and it's forward thinking for the comrades of the past. Besides, your de facto leader in Irving Krystol is a modified Trotskite himself so the historical connections are there is you'll only look deeper instead of tripping up over tripe about some alleged threat to you Santa Klaus! Boy, I'm being a real nasty son of a 8itch today! :wink2: At least I'm not over there bored to tears going in circles about the contract. Man, I'm in a nasty mood today! :happy2: [/QUOTE]
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