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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 268617" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Bob! Balls hanging out!</p><p> </p><p>Could this be the same Bob and his smiling wife we always see on the commericals avertising the product that makes to pole stand at attention?</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/surprised.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":surprised:" title="Surprised :surprised:" data-shortname=":surprised:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>Big, </p><p>You posted a link about a gov't agency preventing someone from hanging a decoration reflecting a religious expression that notes a connection to an event associated with the birth of Jesus and your comment seemed to me to say you opposed the gov't actions as well as others who supported such draconian bans. I would agree with you on that.</p><p> </p><p>You further point out the following in a later post:</p><p></p><p> </p><p>My comments were based on that quote from you and the fact that the holiday now is no longer considered a religious holiday as much as it is a commerical holiday and that maybe your attitude of the might and power of capitalism has in this respect become your enemey and help lead to the very thing you are now having to oppose and that is the removal of the religious history of the hoiday.</p><p> </p><p>Before you run off with half a brain and suggest I'm anti capitalist and therefore anti-American, then I'll save you the trouble at least to the first part. I am anti-capitalist as capitalism as an economic system can place the means of production in the hands of the State as well as the private interest. The perfected Capitalist system will most notedly entangle a mixed system of private ownership with a state interest via the regulatory process of bureacracy. It is also a priviledged system that came into being after the western world moved from fuedalism and it's title of nobility and replaced that with a our modern papers of incorporation. Nobility of the day had limited exposure to liability for their actions and as thus this precept carried over to the corporation which limits liabilty and when such attempts do happen, can kill it's effects by killing the corporation (death of the person in law equal to the death of a flesh and blood person). </p><p> </p><p>The corporation has the same status in law as a person and in fact with the IRS code for example, the code itself states that the person (individual as well as the corporation) are equal and defined by use of the term "person" in law. You promote a system of priviledge of certain men by virtue of having been granted in effect, "titles of nobility' by the King's estate. This system in the 1800's began as certian men of families began to consolidate business interests and then connect with gov't to promote their interests. As the 1800's closed, the cries of the powerful "Robber Barons" and their "capitalism" reverberated across the land. In the meantime, their partners in crime having been elected to office, manipulated the conditions with the so-called anti-trust laws and monopoly laws that in fact consolidated the regulatory powers in the hands of gov't and the industrial giants sat in the driver seats to be the recievers of gov't priviledge thru the granting of corporations and gov't contracts. Thus the new fuedalism known as Capitalism has returned in full force and effect and you wave the flag to promote it glory.</p><p> </p><p>I however prefer a Laissez-faire system (french word meaning Let Do) of economics which it's french translations literally suggests outside of gov't control or hands. We are considered free peoples to choose who, what and where we do business with. This is also further expressed with the more Ameircanised term, Free Markets, where individuals are free to enter and exit the markets at will and buy and sell from whom they wise based upon the private contract they agree to. In a free market, if you wrong or commit fraud upon a person you are held personally repsonsible and that responsibilty will follow you until you've satisfied the contract or satisfied the resulting damages you commit. You have no cover of a corporation to hide behind and therefore limit your liability. If you bring a bad product or idea to the market and harm someone, you can desolve to corp. and run away to reopen under a different name to continue to do business. In a free market world, you are held responsible until you pay the debt or you die.</p><p> </p><p>You sir promote a system that encourages bad products and bad service IMO because the provider or manufacture can be left free of being responsiblie for his/her actions. In a free market which I support, you commit force or fraud, you are forever held liable until the contract is fulfilled or the damge repaired or paid. In a free market, the prospects of criminal wrongdoings don't disappear but at least the law itself doesn't tend to protect the guilty with limited liability like it does in our present sytem</p><p> </p><p>Now, which one of us again believes in freedom and liberty to the individual and which one believes in a quasi-socialist economic system of State control and Priviledge? Which one founded this great country in the first place? </p><p> </p><p>Your capitalism via economic evolution has replaced the meaning of Christmas and therefore the formality of killing it's religious meaning once and for all is now coming in to full play and you voice opposition? Now that's not being a good little capitalist and you should know better! That's OK, Fred will save the day!</p><p> </p><p>JMO Since you were stupid enough to ask. Next time, think before you ask as the rest of the class I'm sure will apprecaite it!</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 268617, member: 2189"] Bob! Balls hanging out! Could this be the same Bob and his smiling wife we always see on the commericals avertising the product that makes to pole stand at attention? :surprised::happy-very: Big, You posted a link about a gov't agency preventing someone from hanging a decoration reflecting a religious expression that notes a connection to an event associated with the birth of Jesus and your comment seemed to me to say you opposed the gov't actions as well as others who supported such draconian bans. I would agree with you on that. You further point out the following in a later post: My comments were based on that quote from you and the fact that the holiday now is no longer considered a religious holiday as much as it is a commerical holiday and that maybe your attitude of the might and power of capitalism has in this respect become your enemey and help lead to the very thing you are now having to oppose and that is the removal of the religious history of the hoiday. Before you run off with half a brain and suggest I'm anti capitalist and therefore anti-American, then I'll save you the trouble at least to the first part. I am anti-capitalist as capitalism as an economic system can place the means of production in the hands of the State as well as the private interest. The perfected Capitalist system will most notedly entangle a mixed system of private ownership with a state interest via the regulatory process of bureacracy. It is also a priviledged system that came into being after the western world moved from fuedalism and it's title of nobility and replaced that with a our modern papers of incorporation. Nobility of the day had limited exposure to liability for their actions and as thus this precept carried over to the corporation which limits liabilty and when such attempts do happen, can kill it's effects by killing the corporation (death of the person in law equal to the death of a flesh and blood person). The corporation has the same status in law as a person and in fact with the IRS code for example, the code itself states that the person (individual as well as the corporation) are equal and defined by use of the term "person" in law. You promote a system of priviledge of certain men by virtue of having been granted in effect, "titles of nobility' by the King's estate. This system in the 1800's began as certian men of families began to consolidate business interests and then connect with gov't to promote their interests. As the 1800's closed, the cries of the powerful "Robber Barons" and their "capitalism" reverberated across the land. In the meantime, their partners in crime having been elected to office, manipulated the conditions with the so-called anti-trust laws and monopoly laws that in fact consolidated the regulatory powers in the hands of gov't and the industrial giants sat in the driver seats to be the recievers of gov't priviledge thru the granting of corporations and gov't contracts. Thus the new fuedalism known as Capitalism has returned in full force and effect and you wave the flag to promote it glory. I however prefer a Laissez-faire system (french word meaning Let Do) of economics which it's french translations literally suggests outside of gov't control or hands. We are considered free peoples to choose who, what and where we do business with. This is also further expressed with the more Ameircanised term, Free Markets, where individuals are free to enter and exit the markets at will and buy and sell from whom they wise based upon the private contract they agree to. In a free market, if you wrong or commit fraud upon a person you are held personally repsonsible and that responsibilty will follow you until you've satisfied the contract or satisfied the resulting damages you commit. You have no cover of a corporation to hide behind and therefore limit your liability. If you bring a bad product or idea to the market and harm someone, you can desolve to corp. and run away to reopen under a different name to continue to do business. In a free market world, you are held responsible until you pay the debt or you die. You sir promote a system that encourages bad products and bad service IMO because the provider or manufacture can be left free of being responsiblie for his/her actions. In a free market which I support, you commit force or fraud, you are forever held liable until the contract is fulfilled or the damge repaired or paid. In a free market, the prospects of criminal wrongdoings don't disappear but at least the law itself doesn't tend to protect the guilty with limited liability like it does in our present sytem Now, which one of us again believes in freedom and liberty to the individual and which one believes in a quasi-socialist economic system of State control and Priviledge? Which one founded this great country in the first place? Your capitalism via economic evolution has replaced the meaning of Christmas and therefore the formality of killing it's religious meaning once and for all is now coming in to full play and you voice opposition? Now that's not being a good little capitalist and you should know better! That's OK, Fred will save the day! JMO Since you were stupid enough to ask. Next time, think before you ask as the rest of the class I'm sure will apprecaite it! :happy-very: [/QUOTE]
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