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apwa : The unanswered questions
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<blockquote data-quote="SandBagger" data-source="post: 235525" data-attributes="member: 11242"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Red wrote:</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">What is it that you would understand about rational? To begin with, (as usual when someone has nothing to offer but emotional discourse in defense of their failed position) I’m not the one calling names, or implying that I own the forum and have a right to ask ANYONE to leave. Secondly, as I CLEARLY stated before my name is not Danny or Van, so if you can’t even understand that simple fact I’m not sure why I would be compelled to believe rational thought is even in your tool kit. You stated that you’re not here to fight with the APWA supporters that have been here for awhile because you have come to “respect” their right to their opinion, but you choose me to pick a fight with instead by calling me a little-headed troll? LMAO!!! You would be better off Indian leg-wrestling with a crocodile than debating me and my little head pal! Unless you are a glutton for punishment and go to bed at night depressed unless you get your daily spanking, stick to facts and leave the name-calling and insults on the playground.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">That said, let me work with the more civil part of your earlier comments and questions. As a matter of convenience I’ll work backwards post-by-post so try to follow along and not get confused….</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">When 30andout asked you about comparing a retiring President to one running for office, you responded that you were referring to not voting for a muffler installer with no political experience who was running for President.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Where did any of the current IBT officers get their “experience” or for that matter where did the IBT founders get theirs? In case you can’t figure it out let me give you a RATIONAL THOUGHT to ponder…..maybe they learned as they went along, building upon the experiences of one another and forming a cohesive internal structure as they moved forward. Isn’t that the very concept that your weak argument against APWA is based upon? In case you aren’t aware of it, in many (if not most) current Locals Bas are “appointed” by Executive Boards between election cycles and then run on a “slate” at election time with previous incumbents. (Death, advancement into the International, or retirement being the only reason there was an opening in the first place) The only way they got any “experience” was after they were “appointed” by the good ole boys and indoctrinated into the “club”. If you are qualified and a hopeful to get inside the “club” and make real changes for the good and welfare of the Local, you haven’t got a prayer because you’re already identified as a dissenter and won’t be offered “membership” and a place on the slate. On rare occasions a particular candidate might be able to generate enough support to displace a member of the slate in a general election, but once in office he is one vote among several and so has little chance of changing the overall direction of the Local, especially since he is over-ruled by the International agenda also. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I believe your next issue was an answer to my request for what Teamsters has done for you over the last 20 years. Let’s list your post below and do a line by line analysis of each item you mentioned…</span></span></p><p> </p><p>I will have to continue in another post because the reply is too long for one post. Please follow along below:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SandBagger, post: 235525, member: 11242"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Red wrote:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]What is it that you would understand about rational? To begin with, (as usual when someone has nothing to offer but emotional discourse in defense of their failed position) I’m not the one calling names, or implying that I own the forum and have a right to ask ANYONE to leave. Secondly, as I CLEARLY stated before my name is not Danny or Van, so if you can’t even understand that simple fact I’m not sure why I would be compelled to believe rational thought is even in your tool kit. You stated that you’re not here to fight with the APWA supporters that have been here for awhile because you have come to “respect” their right to their opinion, but you choose me to pick a fight with instead by calling me a little-headed troll? LMAO!!! You would be better off Indian leg-wrestling with a crocodile than debating me and my little head pal! Unless you are a glutton for punishment and go to bed at night depressed unless you get your daily spanking, stick to facts and leave the name-calling and insults on the playground.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]That said, let me work with the more civil part of your earlier comments and questions. As a matter of convenience I’ll work backwards post-by-post so try to follow along and not get confused….[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]When 30andout asked you about comparing a retiring President to one running for office, you responded that you were referring to not voting for a muffler installer with no political experience who was running for President.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Where did any of the current IBT officers get their “experience” or for that matter where did the IBT founders get theirs? In case you can’t figure it out let me give you a RATIONAL THOUGHT to ponder…..maybe they learned as they went along, building upon the experiences of one another and forming a cohesive internal structure as they moved forward. Isn’t that the very concept that your weak argument against APWA is based upon? In case you aren’t aware of it, in many (if not most) current Locals Bas are “appointed” by Executive Boards between election cycles and then run on a “slate” at election time with previous incumbents. (Death, advancement into the International, or retirement being the only reason there was an opening in the first place) The only way they got any “experience” was after they were “appointed” by the good ole boys and indoctrinated into the “club”. If you are qualified and a hopeful to get inside the “club” and make real changes for the good and welfare of the Local, you haven’t got a prayer because you’re already identified as a dissenter and won’t be offered “membership” and a place on the slate. On rare occasions a particular candidate might be able to generate enough support to displace a member of the slate in a general election, but once in office he is one vote among several and so has little chance of changing the overall direction of the Local, especially since he is over-ruled by the International agenda also. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I believe your next issue was an answer to my request for what Teamsters has done for you over the last 20 years. Let’s list your post below and do a line by line analysis of each item you mentioned…[/FONT][/COLOR] I will have to continue in another post because the reply is too long for one post. Please follow along below: [/QUOTE]
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