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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 99243" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Sorry nospin but have to disagree on the decert part. Under the NLRA which covers the NLRB, you can go site to site. In other words just using North Carolina as an example since APWA gave birth out of there, you could have Greensboro with APWA and Charlotte with IBT under the NLRB. How would you also explain that in some areas of the country, the Automotive and PE mechanics are represented by the Machinist Union and the other UPSers in the same area are under IBT jurisdiction! OOOOPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSS! You didn't sleep through that part of the movie did ya?</p><p> </p><p>Under the Railway Act that covers FedEx you have to go Nationwide or rather company wide. For proof other than the law itself, go back and look at the Teamster/Overnight situation a couple of years ago. Several Overnight barns on their own decertified the IBT and went non-union. Also one of the chief arguments that UPS has used about FedEx being under the Railway Act while UPS is under the NLRB is that FedEx has the advantage of any union effort having to be companywide in one single swoop. UPS under the NLRB and other companies as such gives the union a somewhat advantage in that that they can focus organizing on single locations and once getting a toehold, then leepfrog across the company. </p><p> </p><p>You are correct that in a decert vote, all UPSers covered by the NLRB under any union effort would vote and not just Teamster members at the time only. Somebody must have woke you up for that scene or the call of popcorn got ya.</p><p> </p><p>Yeah, Skillman is blunt and I respect that. I also believe as hard as it is for some to understand that he is a good union UPSer. You might disagree with the method he chooses to express that, that's cool and I understand the arguement, but I've no doubt he's thinking of UPSers first and foremost and giving pause to what we have to maybe what we could have under differnent circumstances. Any effort to make people think and re-examine the IBT is a good effort. Right now especially as we enter the contract cycle and in the near future of deciding who will lead our union. I think APWA has a very long way to go and still many questions to be considered and answered but the greatest thing APWA does right now is force us to ask the hard questions we neglected too and force the union rah-rahers to answer them. I think watching the actions of the IBT rah-rahers in this is the most important part of this whole effort.</p><p> </p><p>JMHO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 99243, member: 2189"] Sorry nospin but have to disagree on the decert part. Under the NLRA which covers the NLRB, you can go site to site. In other words just using North Carolina as an example since APWA gave birth out of there, you could have Greensboro with APWA and Charlotte with IBT under the NLRB. How would you also explain that in some areas of the country, the Automotive and PE mechanics are represented by the Machinist Union and the other UPSers in the same area are under IBT jurisdiction! OOOOPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSS! You didn't sleep through that part of the movie did ya? Under the Railway Act that covers FedEx you have to go Nationwide or rather company wide. For proof other than the law itself, go back and look at the Teamster/Overnight situation a couple of years ago. Several Overnight barns on their own decertified the IBT and went non-union. Also one of the chief arguments that UPS has used about FedEx being under the Railway Act while UPS is under the NLRB is that FedEx has the advantage of any union effort having to be companywide in one single swoop. UPS under the NLRB and other companies as such gives the union a somewhat advantage in that that they can focus organizing on single locations and once getting a toehold, then leepfrog across the company. You are correct that in a decert vote, all UPSers covered by the NLRB under any union effort would vote and not just Teamster members at the time only. Somebody must have woke you up for that scene or the call of popcorn got ya. Yeah, Skillman is blunt and I respect that. I also believe as hard as it is for some to understand that he is a good union UPSer. You might disagree with the method he chooses to express that, that's cool and I understand the arguement, but I've no doubt he's thinking of UPSers first and foremost and giving pause to what we have to maybe what we could have under differnent circumstances. Any effort to make people think and re-examine the IBT is a good effort. Right now especially as we enter the contract cycle and in the near future of deciding who will lead our union. I think APWA has a very long way to go and still many questions to be considered and answered but the greatest thing APWA does right now is force us to ask the hard questions we neglected too and force the union rah-rahers to answer them. I think watching the actions of the IBT rah-rahers in this is the most important part of this whole effort. JMHO. [/QUOTE]
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