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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 302611" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>That has been the key point all along I've tired to make is the republicans <span style="font-size: 15px">ARE NOT </span><span style="font-size: 10px">conservative in the first place. Not yelling at you Pslave but your point is dead on the money. Conservativism in the paleo-tradition which is a direct descendent of classical liberalism of the 18th century has been displaced not only on the conservative side with autocratic fascism but from it's "classic liberal" traditions has been displaced by destructive monoplistic socialism. The paleo-conservative and in some sense the paleo-liberal IMO never worshipped the super state and empire as the likes of the ones who call themselves Conservative and liberal today. But the good news is both paleo types are finding a brotherhood forming together because of the folks like Ralph Nader, Pat Buchannan and of recent Ron Paul and even Mike Gravel and Dennis Kuchinich so a new political underbelly is starting to emerge from it's primodial soup and this does have some political elites very worried.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Why? I thought you did very well. Jump in anytime.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>OK, I know I've addressed some comments out of order but I wanted to save this one for last. Sorry, but I can't help but very much disagree with the above and I can site tons of data on this so pull up a chair and I'll do that!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/rofl.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="Rofl :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> Sorry, I just had to send some people into orbit just to get my jollies off. </p><p> </p><p>There really is lots of data but I'm not going to post it other than 2 links and here they are. <a href="http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940" target="_blank">http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940</a> and the other is <a href="http://www.fpif.org/fpifinfo/4809" target="_blank">http://www.fpif.org/fpifinfo/4809</a></p><p> </p><p>This website is not a conservative one and in fact it's described as a "progressive" website and all our "conservative" friends here will tell you that the word Progressive is secret code for liberal and democrat so in that sense, from the horse's mouth, they call Hillary for example Bush Lite as I have on several occassions. And among traditional liberals, I'm cool with progressive or liberal but liberal like conservative has been highjacked IMO, Hillary is considered a 90% Bush. Obama although he may prove not nearly as empirical as Hillbaby or McCain, he does have problems that leaves one to worry when it came time to stand up to the empire forces that dominate Washington DC as they strip away what little local and State control we have left while at the same time, like destructive locust, they spread to democratize the world with what I call Totalitarian Democracy under US hegemony. </p><p> </p><p>If Hillbaby was so different, then tell me why she voted for the Kyl-Liberman amendment which declared a part of the Iranian Republican Guard a terrorist organization and as such under current codified law could green light Bush or the next President to invade Iran without consulting Congress. How did Obama vote? He missed the vote entirely. Was that because he was to chicken to go on record? Is this an indication of his strenght as a principled leader? Sure makes me question him. At least Chris Dodd and Joe Biden stood up and voted against and are on record as such and I'm no Biden fan and we are political poles apart but if I were President, Joe Biden and I would share lots of time and kill many pots of coffee because I'd want to hear him out about the Mideast. Even he understands the historical mistakes leading back to the ending of the Ottoman empire and the mistakes made of land division by the British and French that has us in many respects where we are today because of it.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry paidslave, but IMO the record crys out and very loudly a very different picture than the BS we're being feed by the establishment media and the party and candidate underlings. More and more it is becoming clear that to vote especially for Hillary or McCain would be like voting for GW and Obama may prove in the end not much better but some are remaining hopeful. If given the choice between the 3 and the main issue was global empire, I'd vote Obama as the lesser evil but as of now I'm looking among the 3rd party ranks to cast my vote. May even go Ralph Nader although we do differ on some areas of economics but I think he would at least listen to the idea of ending the quasi-private/public Federal Reserve Bank and it's monetary monopoly. I can't say that about a lot of folks running for President. I even think he's starting to maybe understand the need to return to gold and silver backed currency and it's ability to restrict not only inflation but also the means of Congress and the President to engage in hyper federal debt. End empire and stop the Fed? I'd vote for Ralph just on those 2 issues alone.</p><p> </p><p>So, there's my take but as they say, opinions are like.....as....uh, well, legs, yeah legs! Everyone has them or most do anyway!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 302611, member: 2189"] That has been the key point all along I've tired to make is the republicans [SIZE=4]ARE NOT [/SIZE][SIZE=2]conservative in the first place. Not yelling at you Pslave but your point is dead on the money. Conservativism in the paleo-tradition which is a direct descendent of classical liberalism of the 18th century has been displaced not only on the conservative side with autocratic fascism but from it's "classic liberal" traditions has been displaced by destructive monoplistic socialism. The paleo-conservative and in some sense the paleo-liberal IMO never worshipped the super state and empire as the likes of the ones who call themselves Conservative and liberal today. But the good news is both paleo types are finding a brotherhood forming together because of the folks like Ralph Nader, Pat Buchannan and of recent Ron Paul and even Mike Gravel and Dennis Kuchinich so a new political underbelly is starting to emerge from it's primodial soup and this does have some political elites very worried.[/SIZE] Why? I thought you did very well. Jump in anytime. OK, I know I've addressed some comments out of order but I wanted to save this one for last. Sorry, but I can't help but very much disagree with the above and I can site tons of data on this so pull up a chair and I'll do that! :rofl: Sorry, I just had to send some people into orbit just to get my jollies off. There really is lots of data but I'm not going to post it other than 2 links and here they are. [URL]http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940[/URL] and the other is [URL]http://www.fpif.org/fpifinfo/4809[/URL] This website is not a conservative one and in fact it's described as a "progressive" website and all our "conservative" friends here will tell you that the word Progressive is secret code for liberal and democrat so in that sense, from the horse's mouth, they call Hillary for example Bush Lite as I have on several occassions. And among traditional liberals, I'm cool with progressive or liberal but liberal like conservative has been highjacked IMO, Hillary is considered a 90% Bush. Obama although he may prove not nearly as empirical as Hillbaby or McCain, he does have problems that leaves one to worry when it came time to stand up to the empire forces that dominate Washington DC as they strip away what little local and State control we have left while at the same time, like destructive locust, they spread to democratize the world with what I call Totalitarian Democracy under US hegemony. If Hillbaby was so different, then tell me why she voted for the Kyl-Liberman amendment which declared a part of the Iranian Republican Guard a terrorist organization and as such under current codified law could green light Bush or the next President to invade Iran without consulting Congress. How did Obama vote? He missed the vote entirely. Was that because he was to chicken to go on record? Is this an indication of his strenght as a principled leader? Sure makes me question him. At least Chris Dodd and Joe Biden stood up and voted against and are on record as such and I'm no Biden fan and we are political poles apart but if I were President, Joe Biden and I would share lots of time and kill many pots of coffee because I'd want to hear him out about the Mideast. Even he understands the historical mistakes leading back to the ending of the Ottoman empire and the mistakes made of land division by the British and French that has us in many respects where we are today because of it. Sorry paidslave, but IMO the record crys out and very loudly a very different picture than the BS we're being feed by the establishment media and the party and candidate underlings. More and more it is becoming clear that to vote especially for Hillary or McCain would be like voting for GW and Obama may prove in the end not much better but some are remaining hopeful. If given the choice between the 3 and the main issue was global empire, I'd vote Obama as the lesser evil but as of now I'm looking among the 3rd party ranks to cast my vote. May even go Ralph Nader although we do differ on some areas of economics but I think he would at least listen to the idea of ending the quasi-private/public Federal Reserve Bank and it's monetary monopoly. I can't say that about a lot of folks running for President. I even think he's starting to maybe understand the need to return to gold and silver backed currency and it's ability to restrict not only inflation but also the means of Congress and the President to engage in hyper federal debt. End empire and stop the Fed? I'd vote for Ralph just on those 2 issues alone. So, there's my take but as they say, opinions are like.....as....uh, well, legs, yeah legs! Everyone has them or most do anyway! :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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