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<blockquote data-quote="area43" data-source="post: 259087" data-attributes="member: 4862"><p>Hi 773. I'll try and answer your questions. Refund your pension. Sorry 773, we are all in this together. United. James Hoffa sr. made up this Mep plan. In a MEP or SEP theorically it is not your pension. Its a group thing. UPSer's and non UPSer's. Communism/Socialism/Social Security. When one segment of the population hurts we all hurt. We all must pay the price whether we like it or not. That is the down side. Who is responsible? Should we let them off the hook? NO. Teamsters are responsible. Again the Mep is their brain child. To skim off in the early days. Dont base your No vote on the fact that the problem lies on the way Teamsters handle our pensions. Don't put a hurt'n on UPS for the MEP. They(UPS) have fullfilled their obligation via negotiated pension contributions. The pension problems lies on our side of the fence. We the rank and file must deal with it. Again, the 401k. It gives literaly all the power back to the common laborer. Thats the route the APWA should have taken. Couple of the positives. No being vested. If a driver quits he can take his stash of cash with him. 401ks are transferrable. Etc, Etc. Just like the mechanics pension. The full timer gets the full dollar amount of the UPS's contribution. Execellent.</p><p> </p><p>Increases that don't keep up with inflation. Hmmmm. Do you factor all the overtime we get. The vacations. I guess it comes down to how you look at things. Half full/Half empty. 773, your basing the present contract on UPS's projected growth. Let me through this at you. Predictions(5 years down the road). Oil prices I believe will hit over a $100 a barrel. Right now its approaching $90. President Hillary Clinton, Perphaps in 08. Socialized health care. Who's going to pay for that? Higher tax's on Corporations and us. Lets talk about UPS's international outlook. Dhl has a strong hold in Europe/European community. China- we've invested billions. Fedex I believe has the edge over us when it comes to China. Iran might aquire a nuclear weapon. Terrorism. All that has to be considered by both parties when tackling the contract.</p><p> </p><p>773, our pension and health care plans are in a crisis. We are in a crisis mode. Our pay staying up with inflation. This is my solution to your problem. With all do respects. Cut back in your own life. Ill give you some suggestions. Cable Tv. LOL Don't buy a new car. Keep your wife's spending in check. What I also see with the no voters is this. They have made the Lifestyle CHOICES that will affect/effect their vote. My Dad once said, "The neighbors have beer money, but have champagne tastes". Does your spending habits reflect your income? Example. A driver that is single will probably vote yes. He made the choice to stay single. A married couple with no children the driver will probably vote yes. Those that have made the CHOICES to live well below their means will vote Yes. Those that have made lets say the Big purchases(also Big families) and are finacialy strapped will say they don't make enough and vote No. With all due respect if you have Champagne taste, go back to school and get a job that equals that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="area43, post: 259087, member: 4862"] Hi 773. I'll try and answer your questions. Refund your pension. Sorry 773, we are all in this together. United. James Hoffa sr. made up this Mep plan. In a MEP or SEP theorically it is not your pension. Its a group thing. UPSer's and non UPSer's. Communism/Socialism/Social Security. When one segment of the population hurts we all hurt. We all must pay the price whether we like it or not. That is the down side. Who is responsible? Should we let them off the hook? NO. Teamsters are responsible. Again the Mep is their brain child. To skim off in the early days. Dont base your No vote on the fact that the problem lies on the way Teamsters handle our pensions. Don't put a hurt'n on UPS for the MEP. They(UPS) have fullfilled their obligation via negotiated pension contributions. The pension problems lies on our side of the fence. We the rank and file must deal with it. Again, the 401k. It gives literaly all the power back to the common laborer. Thats the route the APWA should have taken. Couple of the positives. No being vested. If a driver quits he can take his stash of cash with him. 401ks are transferrable. Etc, Etc. Just like the mechanics pension. The full timer gets the full dollar amount of the UPS's contribution. Execellent. Increases that don't keep up with inflation. Hmmmm. Do you factor all the overtime we get. The vacations. I guess it comes down to how you look at things. Half full/Half empty. 773, your basing the present contract on UPS's projected growth. Let me through this at you. Predictions(5 years down the road). Oil prices I believe will hit over a $100 a barrel. Right now its approaching $90. President Hillary Clinton, Perphaps in 08. Socialized health care. Who's going to pay for that? Higher tax's on Corporations and us. Lets talk about UPS's international outlook. Dhl has a strong hold in Europe/European community. China- we've invested billions. Fedex I believe has the edge over us when it comes to China. Iran might aquire a nuclear weapon. Terrorism. All that has to be considered by both parties when tackling the contract. 773, our pension and health care plans are in a crisis. We are in a crisis mode. Our pay staying up with inflation. This is my solution to your problem. With all do respects. Cut back in your own life. Ill give you some suggestions. Cable Tv. LOL Don't buy a new car. Keep your wife's spending in check. What I also see with the no voters is this. They have made the Lifestyle CHOICES that will affect/effect their vote. My Dad once said, "The neighbors have beer money, but have champagne tastes". Does your spending habits reflect your income? Example. A driver that is single will probably vote yes. He made the choice to stay single. A married couple with no children the driver will probably vote yes. Those that have made the CHOICES to live well below their means will vote Yes. Those that have made lets say the Big purchases(also Big families) and are finacialy strapped will say they don't make enough and vote No. With all due respect if you have Champagne taste, go back to school and get a job that equals that. [/QUOTE]
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